Trailbrake

[arisfaria]

Do you use trailbraking or prefer to break, 'coast', and go back on throttle? which one is faster?

What do you do in real life and in krp?

[EVO]

well the fast guys all trail brake, but i suck and i cant trail brake all the way into the turn.  Trail braking is always faster. 

In real life trail braking helps get the kart to slide into the turn but too much and you spin. Also to much sliding and you lose too much speed and wear out the tires. Alot depend on your brake system, too powerful and its hard to trail brake.  Floating rotors make a hige difference.  My current kart has fixed rotors and fixrd calipers (the worst).  The CRG and most others have large vented and driller floating callipers which disipate heat very well.   It is improtant to use the proper chassis for a particular engine.  Shifter brakes are very strong, too strong on some tracks.  Speed is reduced too fast and the kart is unsettled, unable to flow from turn to turn.  The front brakes also cause understeer which i forgot to mention when they lock up or exceed the grip available due to braking and cornering forces on the front tires

Its harder to trail brake in the KS1 becuase the front brakes lock up
In the KC1 use the front brakes (lever) when going straight at turn release the front brake and trail brake into turn
36% front brake power works well more if the track is grippy of if your steering wheel has  a lever you can modulate

[cnt997]

no its better straight line brakeing. i only trailbrake in a car to get rotation. you never coast in a kart always have one foot one never at the same time gas or brake. the only time when i trail brake is to get inside wheel pickup if my setup isnt working for me.

[EVO]

what about haripins turns? 

[cnt997]

yes, thats acutally when i do it the most, at my home track we have a very very tight hairpin and if i brake about a 7 peddle and lean a bit the inide wheel picks up

[cnt997]

her watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNbtESPebAI
watch my feet im straight line braking everywhere except sometimes only on entrance to get wheel pick up

[EVO]

if you dont trail brake then you are on the gas before the apex?  late apex all the time? does the chassis bind if you trail brake is this why?  I would be nice if you could rig up brake and trottle position like ive seen on some smarty cam videos its hard to see when you are braking. shame the battery died and we couldnt see the pass off the other Kosmic guy

[cnt997]

yes im rolling on to the throttle before the apex, it doesnt bind at all, ill try to hook that up my team owner is a smarty cam dealer so ill ask him. ya i had an amazing pass on my teamate and i went to look at the vid and it was dead haha

[EVO]

but you dont trail brake more because why? becuase braking while jacking doesnt work? sorry i dont know these things?  I can never tell when my kart is jacked just right only when hopping or jacking to much. is that the same?

[cnt997]

i dont trail brake cuz my coach tells me not to quiete honestly, hes been racing karts for 18 years and was a factory driver for crg at one point. getting on the gas before the apex does not upset the kart, i dont slam on the gas i progressivly roll on to it. i get my new karts in February so i can give you more info on it. also my team mate alec was helping me out at or regional championship and he has been to world finals and won many respected rotax races and he told me when my setup was going bad and i needed wheel pick up he said to hit the brake 6 peddle and lean and it pick up. you can do it in krp i notice to day today too. i turned and hit the brake how i turned was preety quick and the wheel picked up try it when ur warming up the tyres. when u turn one way hit the brakes and it will pick up

[The Iceman Marco]

I don't know most of the things you're talking about. But I can say that there's no difference. The best way is what feels the best for your self and how you're used to brake in real. I'll give an example.

I always go of the throttle and brake shortly before a corner. I use the throttle again in the middle of the corner and accelerate out of the corner. That's how I drive in real aswell. You can see it in my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSV22w22Rk

Schwoni drives different. He drives almost the whole corner full throttle while braking. You can see it in the 2nd part of his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l-KgG7T52s&context=C3a0913bADOEgsToPDskJffDOQJwPOcgcEPBTlNcp9

But there are no differences. The only thing is that when you drives more full throttle like Schowni you use more fuel. But there isn't a best way to brake. You should drive you like think/feel is the best.

[EVO]

I remember watching him do the at karttojoigny. when i asked him about it he said it was to keep the kart in the power band and he would never do it in real life becasue he would damage the engine and drivetrain.   However i would bet that professionals do this becuase they care less about damaging things when they're teams are loaded with money and spares.  Ive seen cadet drivers do it on the utube. 

Also a thing i noticed is brake duration. Sometimes a stab before trun in is all you need for fast turns
but hairpins require some trail braking. 

So no brakes all the way to the apex, they've already transtioned back to the throttle?

how do you not use the brake at all in the big turn at lonato? in KC1 just a tab?

[The Iceman Marco]

As far as I know it's impossible with 4-stroke because you always burns your clutch and you loose a half a second every lap because of the broken clutch. I don't know about 2-stroke, but I think they have problems aswell and don't do it.

[cnt997]

yes four strokes blow up when you are the gas and brake at the same time