Quote from: DRkarter97 on October 05, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 05, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
I changed but still only 6 drivers
Clearly you did it wrong then because everyone in skwc can see 12 drivers. but i forgot people in skwc know what they're where as you guys are retarded
you need manners.
DRkarter97 banned again, for being the worst member ever >:(
There are so many communities around, why ruin this one, a tiny and delicate one, dedicated to a small indie project... :-\
I dont put the 3d
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:09:14 PM
DRkarter97 banned again, for being the worst member ever >:(
There are so many communities around, why ruin this one? :-\
Thank you PiBoSo I don't know if you read my message but thank you
Yay!
Still no proof if the engine is infact yours.
???
If it is infact Corrie Hiatt's Minimax then please provide a photo showing that you have received permission to use the engine.
Because using the engine without permission is bad enough!
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:09:14 PM
DRkarter97 banned again, for being the worst member ever >:(
There are so many communities around, why ruin this one, a tiny and delicate one, dedicated to a small indie project... :-\
ARE YOU HAVING A FUCKING LAUGH??
IAN ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES MANY THINGS TO THIS COMMUNITY SUCH AS MODS, PAINTS, ETC, AND HE ALSO HELPS RUN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SERIES ON KRP, WITH OVER 20 DRIVERS COMING TOGETHER FROM THIS 'TINY' COMMUNITY.
WHAT DOES HE ASK IN RETURN?
PEOPLE TO JUST USE THEIR BLOODY BRAIN ON THE FORUM SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER EFFECTIVELY
PIBOSO YOU NEED TO CONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS MATE
PS. you twat... ;)
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:09:14 PM
DRkarter97 banned again, for being the worst member ever >:(
There are so many communities around, why ruin this one, a tiny and delicate one, dedicated to a small indie project... :-\
Oi, get your head in the correct place.... Now your running this place like a child's playground backing up the kids who make this forum shit.
Now dont just go and drop the ban hammer on me like a prick and listen to me!!
Drkarter was fairly pointing out that these "KIDS" had taken someones content without permission and convert it to the current beta and just to make it even worse they released it with out permission.............. This can not be accepted at all PIBOSO and you should know this!!
common use your head!!
you banned tonykart mini for releasing content without permission so ban these kids who did the same.
If someone doing testing for you on this sim released the content they where testing for you would Freak out and probably start a fucking law suit
you need to treat everyone equally even if there bloody 8 year olds
now take some time to think about what i said and dont come back with some dickish reply because i am not going to stand for it PIBOSO
#PIBOSOLIKETOFAPHARDCORE
krpspain vs skwc one race in zuera with mini60?
Even if DRkarter97 actively contributes to the project, this doesn't excuse his terrible behaviour.
He constantly attacks other members creating a toxic environment.
piboso check your messages!! dont bash people once you have banned them!!
thats not on at all really and its very unprofessional
krpspain vs skwc one race in zuera with mini60?
At least I try to collaborate and create things for the community
AWWW PIBOSO EDITING THE POST BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID WAS UNCALLED FOR!! GET A FUCKING NEW JOB BECAUSE YOUR SHIT AT THIS ONE AND DONT SAY YOUR!! AND IF YOU BAN ME YOUR JUST BEING MORE STUPID BECAUSE THIS POINT IS VALID AND U NEED TO LEARN THAT YOUR NOW ALWAYS CORRECT ON THIS FORUM
I think Max get banned
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 05, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
At least I try to collaborate and create things for the community
STEELING CONTENT IS NOT CREATING
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 05, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
I think Max get banned
NO YOU SHOULD BE FOR STEELING PEOPLES CONTENT!!
IM OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN SOMEONE IS IN THE WRONG!! AND PIBOSO FUCKING IS THIS TIME
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 05, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
I think Max get banned
Do us a favour and take your shit comments else where!
AND PIBOSO GO AND BAN ME BECAUSE I REALLY COULD NOT CARE LESS ANYMORE!! THIS FORUM WAS ONCE GREAT!! THEN YOU STARTED TO GO DOWN HILL BIG TIME AND FUCK THINGS UP MAKING BAD DECISIONS
AND THESE KIDS.......... WELL THEY ARE ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUSHED AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 09:57:51 PM
AND PIBOSO GO AND BAN ME BECAUSE I REALLY COULD NOT CARE LESS ANYMORE!! THIS FORUM WAS ONCE GREAT!! THEN YOU STARTED TO GO DOWN HILL BIG TIME AND FUCK THINGS UP MAKING BAD DECISIONS
AND THESE KIDS.......... WELL THEY ARE ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUSHED AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY
I dont kid! i'm 15 years old
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 05, 2015, 09:58:53 PM
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
YOUR THE ONE WHO IS STUCK IN A DREAM!! THIS IS REALITY BITCH
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 09:51:28 PM
piboso check your messages!! dont bash people once you have banned them!!
thats not on at all really and its very unprofessional
You are right, it wasn't correct to call names on DRkarter97. It was a moment of exasperation.
But PLEASE, could issues be handled grecefully, instead of a burst of insults?!?!!?
Yesterday you said tomorrow
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 09:51:28 PM
piboso check your messages!! dont bash people once you have banned them!!
thats not on at all really and its very unprofessional
You are right, it wasn't correct to call names on DRkarter97. It was a moment of exasperation.
But PLEASE, could issues be handled grecefully, instead of a burst of insults?!?!!?
LOOK PIBOSO I WOULD HAPPILY DO SO!! BUT THESE KIDS ARE THE ONES RUINING YOU COMMUNITY MATE
AND DRKARTER97 WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH YOU SO PLEASE CHECK THE FORUM MESSAGES
Just do it!!!
peace
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Even if DRkarter97 actively contributes to the project, this doesn't excuse his terrible behaviour.
He constantly attacks other members creating a toxic environment.
he only attacks the ones that are blatantly being lazy retards though, they fucking deserve it...
GROW THE FUCK UP PLEASE
PIBOSO LETS BE HONEST I THINK A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY HAS JUST SHAT ON YOU BIG TIME!! AND ITS NOT ME DRKARTER OR CHIMPUS
ITS THE KIDS ON HERE
Quote from: lluc215 on October 05, 2015, 10:10:20 PM
BYE MAX TADD TO BANNED http://forum.kartracing-pro.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif
NOW MANY SHROOMS HAVE YOUR EATEN????????
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 09:51:28 PM
piboso check your messages!! dont bash people once you have banned them!!
thats not on at all really and its very unprofessional
You are right, it wasn't correct to call names on DRkarter97. It was a moment of exasperation.
But PLEASE, could issues be handled grecefully, instead of a burst of insults?!?!!?
NO GET FUCKED AND DONT DO STUPID SHIT
Quote from: Chiimpus on October 05, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Even if DRkarter97 actively contributes to the project, this doesn't excuse his terrible behaviour.
He constantly attacks other members creating a toxic environment.
he only attacks the ones that are blatantly being lazy retards though, they fucking deserve it...
Insults are lazy, too.
Quote from: Yoday Betancort on October 05, 2015, 09:52:23 PM
krpspain vs skwc one race in zuera with mini60?
the mini60 is a shitter but bring it on
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: Chiimpus on October 05, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Even if DRkarter97 actively contributes to the project, this doesn't excuse his terrible behaviour.
He constantly attacks other members creating a toxic environment.
he only attacks the ones that are blatantly being lazy retards though, they fucking deserve it...
Insults are lazy, too.
PIBOSO TALK TO ME!! CAN YOU BE MY BITCH?? AND DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAID!! IT WAS MORE THAN VALID
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: Chiimpus on October 05, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Even if DRkarter97 actively contributes to the project, this doesn't excuse his terrible behaviour.
He constantly attacks other members creating a toxic environment.
he only attacks the ones that are blatantly being lazy retards though, they fucking deserve it...
Insults are lazy, too.
yeah and so is banning people instead of asking them to be nice, touché cunt
Now!
YOU COULD SPEND LESS TIME BANNING AND MORE TIME GETTING A 15TH BETA TOO US??
lluc215.................................... you are the reason we cant have nice things
Quote from: lluc215 on October 05, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
YES YES BANNED PLEASE PIBOSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REACTION PLEASE
shouting"BAN BAN BAN" wont do anything!! JEEZ WHY DONT YOUR PARENTS HAVE CHILD SETTINGS ON YOUR PC.....................................................
Quote from: lluc215 on October 05, 2015, 10:19:49 PM
JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA
JAJAJAJAJA!! IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY?? SHUT UP AND GROW UP CHILD
https://www.facebook.com/Boeboemusic/videos/939991792719974/ JAJAJJAJA
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: lluc215 on October 05, 2015, 10:19:49 PM
JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA
JAJAJAJAJA!! IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY?? SHUT UP AND GROW UP CHILD
Are you talking to a mirror? :P
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 05, 2015, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: Max Tadd on October 05, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: lluc215 on October 05, 2015, 10:19:49 PM
JAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA
JAJAJAJAJA!! IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY?? SHUT UP AND GROW UP CHILD
Are you talking to a mirror? :P
IM FUCKING RONNIE PICKERING, LETS HAVE A BARE KNUCKLE FIGHT
PIBSSY CHECK YOUR PIBOSO FORUM MESSAGES PLEASE
1v1 Without t-shirt max tadd
one race Krpspain vs skwc!!!
I WILL STAMP ON YOU
Sorry is a small joke! 8)
OK HUGO AKA ALFONSO STOP ASKING TO TAG YOUR SHIT ON MY PHOTOS ON FACEBOOK!! PLEASE DONT EVEN CONTACT ME VIA THAT!! I DONT HAVE TIME FOR DROPED USELESS ADULTESENTS IN MY SOCIAL MEDIA LIFE THANKS
Sorry :(
ohh yeh and can i also point out thats your mocking of skwc is not needed! skwc has been and still is the leading series in krp and is going to remain that was!! kids like you have been banned for you lack of communication and poor driving skills on the sim!! that does not make it bad its just we are trying to have a series where the driving is clean and everyone is if a age where they can accept being wrong and not go onto the forum and make shitty posts about people and the series!! thats all valid and true
KRP Spain vs SKWC. Hahahhahaha I hope that's a joke. It wouldn't even be a race.
Quote from: Yoday Betancort on October 05, 2015, 10:37:34 PM
Sorry is a small joke! 8)
It wasn't a joke.
Mixing real life with a forum discussion is very very low.
Quote from: Avansino on October 05, 2015, 10:44:58 PM
KRP Spain vs SKWC. Hahahhahaha I hope that's a joke. It wouldn't even be a race.
haha, have you a fear?
Quote from: JesusRB on October 05, 2015, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Avansino on October 05, 2015, 10:44:58 PM
KRP Spain vs SKWC. Hahahhahaha I hope that's a joke. It wouldn't even be a race.
haha, have you a fear?
Not at all. Since you guys would be slow as hell.
why no avansino? One race, the race will be recorder!
If you are so good because they do not accept the challenge?
I will do it, if everyone else in SKWC agrees to do it.
Quote from: Avansino on October 05, 2015, 10:59:14 PM
I will do it, if everyone else in SKWC agrees to do it.
ok
Quote from: Avansino on October 05, 2015, 10:59:14 PM
I will do it, if everyone else in SKWC agrees to do it.
engine is mini60
Quote from: Avansino on October 05, 2015, 10:59:14 PM
I will do it, if everyone else in SKWC agrees to do it.
Count all 5 of Intrepid SKWC in
I don't see what a race will do..
Its pointless even agreeing to race with these kids.
They will ram and do all sorts as they always do.
Oh boy, and I though that the GB community was made up of kids ... you kart guys give us bikes a hope !
MaX.
P.S.
And don't ask to square it off, bikes vs kart on whichever track please :)
PiBoSo Logic.... Ban one of the members that actually knows what he is doing on the forum, just wants people to use their brains, and not illegally take other peoples content with out permission.
Leaves stupid little twats unbanned, who have literally mad a 9 pixel paint for a mini60 and maybe a track that looks like it was made in minecraft or someshit and nothing else to actually contribute to the forum, and also causes roughly 100% of all the problems, ever, on this forum.
Yes, Ian's actions are maybe uncalled for, but, the amount of times he has posted stuff to help people, and tried to direct people in the right direction with stuff, and they just shit on his chest in return, how is that even fair, like, lol wot??!!?!?!, PiBoSo, if I were you I would be getting rid of those toxic little spanish kids who only come on to try troll people, and who have shown that they are just being little douche bags on the forum. Also, no racism intended by saying " Toxic little spanish kids " its a fact, they are a group of little Spanish kids and I'm not naming them one by one.
glhf, plz buy me an awp in round 4, ttyl jk ily.
(http://i.imgur.com/eQyLYJN.png)
It's terrible coming back to this... These deplorable conflicts, disregard for respect, and
stealing peoples' content. This is unacceptable. Please, PiBoSo, take a moment to review the facts I have laid out. Mind you, I have only given DrivingItalia.net and the administrators of the Sim Kart World Champs permission to distribute my content.
I would like to point out that this is a blatant copy and re-badge of my work that was done in 2014. The original files were created on March 8, 2014 at 5:56 PM according to what I have from my Beta 11 archive. These files have some parts that are easily distinguishable as a copy because of timestamps on creation dates. For example, the file entitled i_rotaxmini_s was created 3/4/2014, and in both b11 and b14c versions, the model is identical. Additionally, I have the 3ds Max file for the engine.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8RDNLB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aZS2fZZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SEgmEnc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ycKj6Ug.jpg)
As you can see, it is clear that this model is mine, as the 3ds Max file matches up astonishingly similarly to the Spanish release of the MiniMax. I never distributed the source files for the 3d model, so it is clear that this was copied.
Onto the engine curve. The curve is nearly identical. There is only one change between the two, and that is the first number value, changing from 2.00 to 8.00
(http://i.imgur.com/tq8FvKV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HsIOwz5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vEsfb1a.jpg)
Here is proof that I did in fact keep an archive of Beta 11
Beta 11
(http://i.imgur.com/dxeIx0N.jpg)
Beta 14c
(http://i.imgur.com/1B5eBOQ.jpg)
After all of this investigation, it has become clear that this was completely stolen from my work. Needless to say, there is plenty of denial of it being a copy, so to me there is no ignorance, there is only truth that they know they stole it and they are lying about it.
Quote from: JesusRB on September 29, 2015, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on September 29, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: Alexll5 on September 29, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 03:03:28 AM
Now see this is really pathetic because your post got deleted by the moderators yet you somehow think that it's not going to be deleted again. Also the minimax is still illegal content and you're not allowed to release it to the public.
He didn't give all the information it's not the official minimax is just one he invento do this championship
Its one he stole from Corrie Hiatt, the model is Corrie's that much is obivous
what is the problem?
I don't know how else to explain this your engine mod is an illegal copy Corrie Hiatt's minimax that was released last beta you stole it blantantly.
This minimax isn't a copy
And this
Quote from: JesusRB on September 30, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
I dont stole nothing.
And this, claiming they created it just for the championship
Quote from: Alexll5 on September 29, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 03:03:28 AM
Now see this is really pathetic because your post got deleted by the moderators yet you somehow think that it's not going to be deleted again. Also the minimax is still illegal content and you're not allowed to release it to the public.
He didn't give all the information it's not the official minimax is just one he invento do this championship
Had this issue been brought up to me, and they had contacted me about it, this would not have been an issue. DrKarter97 was looking out for the good of my project by telling them that it is
NOT OK to distribute my content out of the two organizations that are permitted to do so. PiBoSo, you banned TonyKartmini over an identical issue, where the content was obviously stolen. That ban has never been lifted. It was warranted, and so it stands, but there is a discrepancy between how issues like this are handled, as none of the members who openly lied about stealing my content have been talked to, or punished in any way. It is unacceptable that it has had to come to the point of me proving that the content was stolen, and that there is no action being taken after the situation has escalated so dramatically. Nearly all members in this thread have broken the rules of this forum by using curse words... If one person can slip through the rules, why is DrKarter97 banned currently? Hugo, Alexll5, and a host of other members have all broken the rules without warnings or bans. This is ridiculous. Please take action. I am beyond disappointed with how this entire situation was handled. Please right the wrongs that have been brought to your attention.
-Corrie
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on October 06, 2015, 03:51:20 AM
It's terrible coming back to this... These deplorable conflicts, disregard for respect, and stealing peoples' content. This is unacceptable. Please, PiBoSo, take a moment to review the facts I have laid out. Mind you, I have only given DrivingItalia.net and the administrators of the Sim Kart World Champs permission to distribute my content.
I would like to point out that this is a blatant copy and re-badge of my work that was done in 2014. The original files were created on March 8, 2014 at 5:56 PM according to what I have from my Beta 11 archive. These files have some parts that are easily distinguishable as a copy because of timestamps on creation dates. For example, the file entitled i_rotaxmini_s was created 3/4/2014, and in both b11 and b14c versions, the model is identical. Additionally, I have the 3ds Max file for the engine.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8RDNLB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aZS2fZZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SEgmEnc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ycKj6Ug.jpg)
As you can see, it is clear that this model is mine, as the 3ds Max file matches up astonishingly similarly to the Spanish release of the MiniMax. I never distributed the source files for the 3d model, so it is clear that this was copied.
Onto the engine curve. The curve is nearly identical. There is only one change between the two, and that is the first number value, changing from 2.00 to 8.00
(http://i.imgur.com/tq8FvKV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HsIOwz5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vEsfb1a.jpg)
Here is proof that I did in fact keep an archive of Beta 11
Beta 11
(http://i.imgur.com/dxeIx0N.jpg)
Beta 14c
(http://i.imgur.com/1B5eBOQ.jpg)
After all of this investigation, it has become clear that this was completely stolen from my work. Needless to say, there is plenty of denial of it being a copy, so to me there is no ignorance, there is only truth that they know they stole it and they are lying about it.
Quote from: JesusRB on September 29, 2015, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on September 29, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: Alexll5 on September 29, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 03:03:28 AM
Now see this is really pathetic because your post got deleted by the moderators yet you somehow think that it's not going to be deleted again. Also the minimax is still illegal content and you're not allowed to release it to the public.
He didn't give all the information it's not the official minimax is just one he invento do this championship
Its one he stole from Corrie Hiatt, the model is Corrie's that much is obivous
what is the problem?
I don't know how else to explain this your engine mod is an illegal copy Corrie Hiatt's minimax that was released last beta you stole it blantantly.
This minimax isn't a copy
And this
Quote from: JesusRB on September 30, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
I dont stole nothing.
And this, claiming they created it just for the championship
Quote from: Alexll5 on September 29, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on September 29, 2015, 03:03:28 AM
Now see this is really pathetic because your post got deleted by the moderators yet you somehow think that it's not going to be deleted again. Also the minimax is still illegal content and you're not allowed to release it to the public.
He didn't give all the information it's not the official minimax is just one he invento do this championship
Had this issue been brought up to me, and they had contacted me about it, this would not have been an issue. DrKarter97 was looking out for the good of my project by telling them that it is NOT OK to distribute my content out of the two organizations that are permitted to do so. PiBoSo, you banned TonyKartmini over an identical issue, where the content was obviously stolen. That ban has never been lifted. It was warranted, and so it stands, but there is a discrepancy between how issues like this are handled, as none of the members who openly lied about stealing my content have been talked to, or punished in any way. It is unacceptable that it has had to come to the point of me proving that the content was stolen, and that there is no action being taken after the situation has escalated so dramatically. Nearly all members in this thread have broken the rules of this forum by using curse words... If one person can slip through the rules, why is DrKarter97 banned currently? Hugo, Alexll5, and a host of other members have all broken the rules without warnings or bans. This is ridiculous. Please take action. I am beyond disappointed with how this entire situation was handled. Please right the wrongs that have been brought to your attention.
-Corrie
+1
Honestly PiBoSo if you want to play god on this forum and moderate the fights then don't just randomly choose one to but in and make your case. Being that this is the forum of one of your most successful projects, I'd hope that you'd be able to see through the mindset of what truly is best for the group.
These kids from "krpspain", "TupaKart", or "Hugo and Jesus's playground" have been the biggest problem causers that I have ever seen. I'd take them up on an offer to race if they wouldn't just cut the track to intentionally wreck and be 3 seconds off the pace of any SKWC driver.
I appreciate your dedication to this game but I'd hope that you won't remain on the side of those who steal projects and hardly contribute to this small and deflated community.
Sincerely,
A concerned KRP owner
Quote from: Xander Clements on October 06, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
Honestly PiBoSo if you want to play god on this forum and moderate the fights then don't just randomly choose one to but in and make your case. Being that this is the forum of one of your most successful projects, I'd hope that you'd be able to see through the mindset of what truly is best for the group.
These kids from "krpspain", "TupaKart", or "Hugo and Jesus's playground" have been the biggest problem causers that I have ever seen. I'd take them up on an offer to race if they wouldn't just cut the track to intentionally wreck and be 3 seconds off the pace of any SKWC driver.
I appreciate your dedication to this game but I'd hope that you won't remain on the side of those who steal projects and hardly contribute to this small and deflated community.
Sincerely,
A concerned KRP owner
+1
I don't have nothing here I didn't cree the engine the championship nothing but did you put copyright? If you don't put it it's legal 100 per 100 if you put it I am not craig this and I don't know if its your modelo or no
Copyright or not, it should not be used without permission.
I'm sure Corrie has put a read-me in with the mod not to copy the mod in any way,
That being said, I think you guys should grow a set and own up to copying the mod and put this to bed!
I have sent multiple PM's to PiBoSo to adress the issue with them stealing the mod as quick as possible however nothing has happened.
:-\
But where is the BIG problem if they have "stolen" the model ?
I mean, yes it's not right and yes it's very wrong to say they created it if they didn't, true.
But in the grand scheme of things, what is the big deal about that ? What are people searching for ? A punishment ?
Are you asking Piboso to be the "mod" police ? He clearly can't do that.
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
Even more, once a mod is published, for me it is more or less public: if somebody wants to build on it (improve it, change it) I don't see any good reason not to allow him/her.
It would be polite to ask permission to the original author, but as far as there's no license (GPL, MIT or similar) attached to the creation, then ...
Final note: did the original creator of the model in question ask the permission to create it to the kart/engine maker ? Because you know, legally ...
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
But where is the BIG problem if they have "stolen" the model ?
I mean, yes it's not right and yes it's very wrong to say they created it if they didn't, true.
But in the grand scheme of things, what is the big deal about that ? What are people searching for ? A punishment ?
Are you asking Piboso to be the "mod" police ? He clearly can't do that.
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
Even more, once a mod is published, for me it is more or less public: if somebody wants to build on it (improve it, change it) I don't see any good reason not to allow him/her.
It would be polite to ask permission to the original author, but as far as there's no license (GPL, MIT or similar) attached to the creation, then ...
Final note: did the original creator of the model in question ask the permission to create it to the kart/engine maker ? Because you know, legally ...
MaX.
I can see your thoughts, but i think this is more about PiBoSo's wrong decisions. I think it's clear now that we won't see the M6 bodywork as a public mod now, just because Ian was saying that these guys stole a mod without permission. I mean, this is not the first time that this group of people are nearly destroying the forum. Corrie himself even clearly showed that it is stolen by simple facrs without insulting anybody. What do you want more to see who is at fault here?
Tristan
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
MaX.
There are private mods in KRP because they have been WIP's for a certain period of time, and people have been pushing and pushing the modders basically demanding they release the mod, or asking over and over after the modder has stated that the mod won't be done for a while because they are actually trying to make it nice or what ever....
Quote from: LiamHatton on October 06, 2015, 11:43:56 AM
I have sent multiple PM's to PiBoSo to adress the issue with them stealing the mod as quick as possible however nothing has happened.
???
Only one message was sent about this issue, yesterday. And it didn't include any reference about who stole what from whom.
Quote from: PiBoSo on October 06, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: LiamHatton on October 06, 2015, 11:43:56 AM
I have sent multiple PM's to PiBoSo to adress the issue with them stealing the mod as quick as possible however nothing has happened.
???
Only one message was sent about this issue, yesterday. And it didn't include any reference about who stole what from whom.
Really?
The others had more detail but they must not have sent properly as my net was playing up.
my bad ::)
Quote from: Tr!st@n on October 06, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
What do you want more to see who is at fault here?
But once we've all established Mr.X is at fault, what have we gained ?!
You want them what ? Banned from the forum ? As if it was hard to create another account ...
Let's assume we all agree they have stolen it: now what ? Is anybody better off ?
Quote from: Cory_Hayes on October 06, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
There are private mods in KRP because they have been WIP's for a certain period of time, and people have been pushing and pushing the modders basically demanding they release the mod, or asking over and over after the modder has stated that the mod won't be done for a while because they are actually trying to make it nice or what ever....
Hmmm ... I though some content is reserved for SKWC. So is it private because it is WIP or is there another reason ? I mean, if it's good enough to be used for an organised championship, it must be not that WIP ...
Anyway, you want to make it "private" you'll have people trying to get it, one way or the other. You can count on that.
So if you want to be on the safe side, you'll have to do more than putting a .txt with "please don't copy me". I mean, people get away stealing thousands dollars software everyday ...
And I haven't heard an answer to my question:
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
Final note: did the original creator of the model in question ask the permission to create it to the kart/engine maker ? Because you know, legally ...
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
But where is the BIG problem if they have "stolen" the model ?
I mean, yes it's not right and yes it's very wrong to say they created it if they didn't, true.
But in the grand scheme of things, what is the big deal about that ? What are people searching for ? A punishment ?
Are you asking Piboso to be the "mod" police ? He clearly can't do that.
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
Even more, once a mod is published, for me it is more or less public: if somebody wants to build on it (improve it, change it) I don't see any good reason not to allow him/her.
It would be polite to ask permission to the original author, but as far as there's no license (GPL, MIT or similar) attached to the creation, then ...
Final note: did the original creator of the model in question ask the permission to create it to the kart/engine maker ? Because you know, legally ...
MaX.
MRO and I were working together side by side with BRP/Rotax. We had all of the logistics completely finished. The reason this is unacceptable is because it is an inaccurate representation of my modeling ability. I don't care that they have a Minimax from late 2013, early 2014. It's the fact that they are claiming it as their own, which is immoral and inexcusable. The reason behind the SKWC getting
distribution rights was because they were using the Senior and Junior engines, which were modeled to a better standard and were a much cleaner and professional package, compared to the Minimax. There is nothing wrong with a few kids asking permission to use content that is outdated and not up to my current standards of work, but they never asked. I would love to see this community thrive, but that's not happening while all this is going on. Finally, PiBoSo permanently banned TonyKartmini for stealing and releasing content as his own. PiBoSo permanently banned him. All I am asking for is some consistency in how PiBoSo addresses these issues. Also, as far as copyright, I have intellectual property rights, including all of the dynos, engine creation, and model. Thanks for your concern, just trying to clear up some of the fuzziness that you see in this situation.
-Corrie
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on October 06, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 06, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
But where is the BIG problem if they have "stolen" the model ?
I mean, yes it's not right and yes it's very wrong to say they created it if they didn't, true.
But in the grand scheme of things, what is the big deal about that ? What are people searching for ? A punishment ?
Are you asking Piboso to be the "mod" police ? He clearly can't do that.
BTW, to me, the very idea to create a mod for KRP and then not distributing it to everybody is a bit disturbing.
Yes it's the creator's right to do so, but still ... In GPB, which has plenty of mods (dozens of bikes and more than 100 tracks) I've never ever seen a "private" mod.
Even more, once a mod is published, for me it is more or less public: if somebody wants to build on it (improve it, change it) I don't see any good reason not to allow him/her.
It would be polite to ask permission to the original author, but as far as there's no license (GPL, MIT or similar) attached to the creation, then ...
Final note: did the original creator of the model in question ask the permission to create it to the kart/engine maker ? Because you know, legally ...
MaX.
MRO and I were working together side by side with BRP/Rotax. We had all of the logistics completely finished. The reason this is unacceptable is because it is an inaccurate representation of my modeling ability. I don't care that they have a Minimax from late 2013, early 2014. It's the fact that they are claiming it as their own, which is immoral and inexcusable. The reason behind the SKWC getting distribution rights was because they were using the Senior and Junior engines, which were modeled to a better standard and were a much cleaner and professional package, compared to the Minimax. There is nothing wrong with a few kids asking permission to use content that is outdated and not up to my current standards of work, but they never asked. I would love to see this community thrive, but that's not happening while all this is going on. Finally, PiBoSo permanently banned TonyKartmini for stealing and releasing content as his own. PiBoSo permanently banned him. All I am asking for is some consistency in how PiBoSo addresses these issues. Also, as far as copyright, I have intellectual property rights, including all of the dynos, engine creation, and model. Thanks for your concern, just trying to clear up some of the fuzziness that you see in this situation.
-Corrie
first, I didn't do the engine but i don't say i do the engine.
my friends and my do the track and paint for the community, you are mods only for you. and finally sorry for do the paint and track is shit. but doesn't for private
Sorry for my english
JesusRB
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on October 06, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
It's the fact that they are claiming it as their own, which is immoral and inexcusable.
Agree with that, of course.
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on October 06, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
The reason behind the SKWC getting distribution rights was because they were using the Senior and Junior engines, which were modeled to a better standard and were a much cleaner and professional package, compared to the Minimax.
But are the Sr and Jr engines available to any KRP player or not ? It's still unclear to me.
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on October 06, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Also, as far as copyright, I have intellectual property rights, including all of the dynos, engine creation, and model. Thanks for your concern, just trying to clear up some of the fuzziness that you see in this situation.
Just to be sure I understand you right: you have a written permission from BRP/Rotax to do what you've done ? Or you "simply" mean you created anything from scratch so you own (are the creator of) the result ?
Just out of curiosity: what's the "intellectual property on a dyno run" ?!?!
MaX.
Quote from: lluc215 on October 06, 2015, 03:51:01 PM
claro que si champions
Please dont start with the ignorant "I write in spanish now so they dont understand me but i can still make useless comments" again. You did that before.
MaX, we've lost many modders on the forum due to childish nonsense like this. Rather than "improving" on the engine model that Corrie made, these kids basically diminished it and I can see how that can be demeaning to Corrie. He put a ton of hours into the engine, and rather than crediting him for his time, they'd much rather deny the fact and say they've come out with their own engine for a championship.
The Junior and Senior rotax models have only been distributed via the SKWC Website with member-only pages, where only I can approve members. Often times these kids would sign up and ask why they are not approved, and this thread shows my reasoning as to why they will never be allowed in my league.
As to PiBoSo, I don't see why you've let these kids run such a muck on your forums. They've managed to piss off nearly every active member and the only ones who can somewhat empathize are those who only come out once in a blue moon.
If I remember correctly EVO said he was leaving because he could not stand to SKWC ...
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
If I remember correctly EVO said he was leaving because he could not stand to SKWC ...
Yeah....no you did not remember that correctly. Stop making wild accusations and go back to playing on your stolen mod.
Quote from: Xander Clements on October 06, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
If I remember correctly EVO said he was leaving because he could not stand to SKWC ...
Yeah....no you did not remember that correctly. Stop making wild accusations and go back to playing on your stolen mod.
WHY DID BANNED CORY?
From DRKarter97:
I'm not going to sit here and try and explain to you why your moral arguments are wrong and not based in a correct understanding of how this works. But I will address this from a legal stand point. It's worth noting I'm not a lawyer but as a modder for multiple games I have picked up some minor things here and there for my safety and knowledge. First off its irrelevant whether Corrie had a license or not (a lawyer could explain why) but one only needs to look at every other mod for every other game, as long as he is not making money off of it he doesn't need a license for it. Also through intellectual property rights permission is required to do anything to his mod, that's regardless of whether Corrie got a full copyright on his work (which would actually prevent legal trouble for him as he is trying to copyright nonlicensed content) The whole problem of people even editing others content is it reflects on the author not the editor, common users cannot differentiate between original work and editing if they do not have an understanding how to mod. Thus all complaints end up falling on the author even though it may have been a change made by the editor.
Just to touch on your realization that not all mods are released (im sure GP bikes has 100s) Mods are kept private for this reason right here, people steal and authors dont want their work being distrusted by someone not them also because WIP mods are being tested. As for the SKWC side of things, they're kept private for the sake of attracting attention to SKWC eventually when SKWC has competition from other series exclusive content is whats going to attract people.
HERES TO THE FUTURE OF A DOOMED FORUM!! :D
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jk lol ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Xander Clements on October 06, 2015, 04:13:05 PM\
MaX, we've lost many modders on the forum due to childish nonsense like this. Rather than "improving" on the engine model that Corrie made, these kids basically diminished it and I can see how that can be demeaning to
Corrie. He put a ton of hours into the engine, and rather than crediting him for his time, they'd much rather deny the fact and say they've come out with their own engine for a championship.
But if they've actually made it worse, where's the big trouble ?! It just shows they are not able to do what they pretend. It just shows Corrie's work was better and original.
In GPB we've never lost a modder (for this kind of reason at least): all the mods are public, problem avoided from the start.
Quote from: Xander Clements on October 06, 2015, 04:13:05 PM\
The Junior and Senior rotax models have only been distributed via the SKWC Website with member-only pages, where only I can approve members.
OK, but why ? if I try to join tomorrow (chipmunk@fakemail.com), how can you decide if I'm worth approving or not ?
Quote from: Xander Clements on October 06, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
As to PiBoSo, I don't see why you've let these kids run such a muck on your forums. They've managed to piss off nearly every active member and the only ones who can somewhat empathize are those who only come out once in a blue moon.
Not sure you were talking about me, but I do not empathize with them in any way: if they have indeed stolen it (and from the little I've seen it looks like they have), then that's bad. If on top they claim they've created it themselves, that's even worse. I just don't see what can be done.
Quote from: Chiimpus on October 06, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
From DRKarter97:
I'm not going to sit here and try and explain to you why your moral arguments are wrong and not based in a correct understanding of how this works. But I will address this from a legal stand point. It's worth noting I'm not a lawyer but as a modder for multiple games I have picked up some minor things here and there for my safety and knowledge. First off its irrelevant whether Corrie had a license or not (a lawyer could explain why) but one only needs to look at every other mod for every other game, as long as he is not making money off of it he doesn't need a license for it. Also through intellectual property rights permission is required to do anything to his mod, that's regardless of whether Corrie got a full copyright on his work (which would actually prevent legal trouble for him as he is trying to copyright nonlicensed content) The whole problem of people even editing others content is it reflects on the author not the editor, common users cannot differentiate between original work and editing if they do not have an understanding how to mod. Thus all complaints end up falling on the author even though it may have been a change made by the editor.
The above makes little sense. These spanish kids are claiming they have done it: so how can the fact their mod is bad be falling on the original author ? Their (stolen and edited) mod sucks: how can this fall on the original author ?
I do understand the author being pissed off about the fact they use it without permission and claim it's their work, but if the fact is proven true, it will likely backfire on them.
Quote from: Chiimpus on October 06, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
Just to touch on your realization that not all mods are released (im sure GP bikes has 100s) Mods are kept private for this reason right here, people steal and authors dont want their work being distrusted by someone not them also because WIP mods are being tested. As for the SKWC side of things, they're kept private for the sake of attracting attention to SKWC eventually when SKWC has competition from other series exclusive content is whats going to attract people.
OK, now we're reaching the true answer to that: you make private content because somehow you have a private interest in it (promoting SKWC or whatever).
It's fine, just don't use other excuses like "it's private because it's WIP" or "it's private otherwise it gets stolen".
I know no private mod in GPB (and we currently have roughly 60 mod bikes and 120 mod tracks): the only one that went sort of private was from a guy that came, started ranting because he didn't get the kind of support he was looking for (from other modders), then self-proclaimed himself the best modder ever (and able to solve issues Piboso himself was unable to tackle, no less) and finally disappeared insulting the whole world. The heritage he left has been long forgotten. So in way, it is now private. Likely private to his own author.
Personal opinion here: making a private mod is bad. If Piboso had the same attitude, KRP would not be moddable at all.
I prefer to share and give/receive credit than keep private and police: it's just more effective for the community.
MaX.
In terms of approving accounts, I simply don't approve the ones I either don't know or don't want to have access. We've tried open mods and the response from those outside of our niche community has been horrid. In the past we have tried to act professional and kind to these KRP spain kids and time and time again they prove that they are not worthy of respect of any kind. Both on and off the forum they deserve a ban from the game as they do nothing but cause trouble with those who play and contribute to it the most.
you are the rotax evo!! and you dont share with the community. We do the rotax old for the community
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
you are the rotax evo!! and you dont share with the community. We do the rotax old for the community
No one made a rotax Evo you guys stole the minimax. also keep your stories straight dude
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
I'm freaking, i never say that i do the engine!!
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
you are the rotax evo!! and you dont share with the community. We do the rotax old for the community
No one made a rotax Evo you guys stole the minimax. also keep your stories straight dude
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
I'm freaking, i never say that i do the engine!!
i dont do the 3d but we do the parameters
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
you are the rotax evo!! and you dont share with the community. We do the rotax old for the community
No one made a rotax Evo you guys stole the minimax. also keep your stories straight dude
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
I'm freaking, i never say that i do the engine!!
i dont do the 3d but we do the parameters
But thats not what you said first nor is that true about the parameters
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
We dont do nothing fot the community
Saving that quote for later.
But you 're talking about that we are children.
If you you have as much 15 years
We won't do nothing for the community
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:03:21 PM
But you 're talking about that we are children.
If you you have as much 15 years
You guys maybe 15 but you sure act like you're maybe 10 and I'd know i turn 16 soon
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
We won't do nothing for the community
Then you can't be posting your league on this forum with links to stolen content
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
We won't do nothing for the community
Then you can't be posting your league on this forum with links to stolen content
I dont stole nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
We won't do nothing for the community
Then you can't be posting your league on this forum with links to stolen content
I dont stole nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the most literal example of throwing a tennis ball at wall that I've ever seen, do you think that more exclamation points will some how convince people? Like dude corrie pretty well showed that you stole his model and dyno unless you some how found the exact dyno he used did the exact same math and some how made the exact model he did with exact textures and placement
he did the engine without permission a rotax
you did track without permission the Owners
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he does the engine without permission a rotax
A. He doesn't need permission he's not making money
B. you still need permission to use his content
you did Paint without permission the Owners
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he did the engine without permission a rotax
If you would read correctly, Corrie is working together with BRP/Rotax. Also, you still stole his content, so what are you discussing about?
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he does the engine without permission a rotax
A. He doesn't need permission he's not making money
B. you still need permission to use his content
hahaha, He dont need permission but me need permission. What?
Sure, and I with Brazzers for a video
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he does the engine without permission a rotax
A. He doesn't need permission he's not making money
B. you still need permission to use his content
hahaha, He dont need permission but me need permission. What?
Thats how mods work dude, you dont need permission to make a rotax mod but people need permission to edit and release it I know its mind blowing
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he does the engine without permission a rotax
A. He doesn't need permission he's not making money
B. you still need permission to use his content
hahaha, He dont need permission but me need permission. What?
Thats how mods work dude, you dont need permission to make a rotax mod but people need permission to edit and release it I know its mind blowing
just kidding?
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
he does the engine without permission a rotax
A. He doesn't need permission he's not making money
B. you still need permission to use his content
hahaha, He dont need permission but me need permission. What?
Thats how mods work dude, you dont need permission to make a rotax mod but people need permission to edit and release it I know its mind blowing
just kidding?
No thats how it works you're the only one doing illegal stuff
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Hugo: Corrie HAS permission by Rotax. READ correctly.
Of course...
Tristan make your dreams come true
Quote from: Tr!st@n on October 06, 2015, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Hugo: Corrie HAS permission by Rotax. READ correctly.
hahhaa
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Tr!st@n on October 06, 2015, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Hugo: Corrie HAS permission by Rotax. READ correctly.
hahhaa
That's super funny, i know. But you are still wrong :)
It send me a picture with the certificate put Cory can create the engine with the signing of some executive rotax
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Because its permission for 2 different things, he doesn't need permission to replicate an engine in game as long as he's not making money. You need permission to edit his work corrie is creating something with a real life counter part you're stealing content
Quote from: Tr!st@n on October 06, 2015, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Tr!st@n on October 06, 2015, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
You say: He doesnt need permission because he doesnt make money, but we dont make a money. Why do i need permission?
Hugo: Corrie HAS permission by Rotax. READ correctly.
hahhaa
That's super funny, i know. But you are still wrong :)
I have permission by rotax/puma/mojo/pirelli/Hamilton/Alonso/hugo/yoday/lluc/
Lluc threatened me
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
It send me a picture with the certificate put Cory can create the engine with the signing of some executive rotax
*corrie
he doesn't have to he has nothing to prove but you do
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
It send me a picture with the certificate put Cory can create the engine with the signing of some executive rotax
*corrie
he doesn't have to he has nothing to prove but you do
ME TOO!!
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
It send me a picture with the certificate put Cory can create the engine with the signing of some executive rotax
*corrie
he doesn't have to he has nothing to prove but you do
ME TOO!!
No you have to prove you didn't steal anything but you totally did so i guess thats why you haven't tried to
It is a company that makes every action must be signed by an executive
So what you say it is false
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:34:32 PM
It is a company that makes every action must be signed by an executive
So what you say it is false
but he doesn't have to show you so what you say is irrelevant...
Can they be banned now? Cause the spanish insulting starts again?
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:34:32 PM
It is a company that makes every action must be signed by an executive
So what you say it is false
but he doesn't have to show you so what you say is irrelevant...
False!!
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:34:32 PM
It is a company that makes every action must be signed by an executive
So what you say it is false
but he doesn't have to show you so what you say is irrelevant...
he doesnt has permission,
Quote from: lluc215 on October 06, 2015, 10:38:47 PM
FALSE MADACA
I thought we were over with the insulting? Apparently not.
Can someone please ban these kids now?
???
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Alfonso Gutierrez Garcia on October 06, 2015, 10:34:32 PM
It is a company that makes every action must be signed by an executive
So what you say it is false
but he doesn't have to show you so what you say is irrelevant...
he doesnt has permission,
The obvious troll is obvious
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 06, 2015, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
you are the rotax evo!! and you dont share with the community. We do the rotax old for the community
No one made a rotax Evo you guys stole the minimax. also keep your stories straight dude
Quote from: JesusRB on October 06, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
I'm freaking, i never say that i do the engine!!
i dont do the 3d but we do the parameters
A single parameter was changed between my content produced in 2014 and your "changed" engine. It is no doubt a copy. Max, I get your point that not releasing content is bad for the community, but you have to remember that there are people out there who are purely evil and don't want to improve it, just leech off of my work. I would have no problem if tomorrow, someone asked me if they could work on the Rotax mod. As the Rotax is a two-man development, and we have a ton of ground to cover, adding a person to help us improve our final product is no doubt a valuable asset. However, when individuals take things and claim them as their own, it discourages me from wanting to create content. If I wanted to have my work stolen, why work on it in the first place. This is a petty argument, but it raises my concern for how PiBoSo addresses the insolent and abhorrent behavior of members. I have worked tirelessly on the newest edition of the Rotax for Beta 14, but releasing to a community of users who will modify and claim it as their own - How am I supposed to be motivated to make content for ungrateful users? EVO, who left this forum some time ago, was put off by the blatant disrespect. He was the member that I turned to in my first few weeks on this forum during 2012. There have been several times where his content, his unrelenting and devoted work on mods, have been such valuable assets to the building of this simulator, yet here we are, and he is no longer part of our community because of blatant disregard for respect and moral actions. It's appalling that it has gotten to the point where users can openly steal, trash talk, curse, and attack other members without action. If tomorrow, a member of the PiBoSo forum called out noss69 and said that his tracks were terrible, cussed in his thread, and then posted a link to a stolen version of that track, how would the community react? The actions of members on the KRP forum would be handled much differently if it happened on the PiBoSo forum. Why are we allowing this to continue? As for my licensing, MRO was the one who contacted BRP, he lives in Italy, and was frequently at the Rotax tests at Lonato, where he was able to give me information regarding various aspects of the engine. Once again, it was a joint project, so if you attack me for not being licensed, you also attack MRO, which is unacceptable. I can't stop this from happening, but I really am disappointed with the blatant disregard for the rules and for moral high ground in this entire situation. It's shameful to be part of such a hostile environment, and embarrassing that all of this has gotten this far. Going back to what was stated earlier, changing one part of the engine curve is not changing the parameters. Far from it. TonyKartmini was banned permanently by PiBoSo for posting a link to Sarno and Ala Karting, claiming that they were both his works. The issue is that this group of members that have taken the Rotax and released it under their names have also taken content that was off of the SKWC website and released it under their own names. This isn't the first occurrence of them stealing my work. Mooresville Kart Track, a track I created specifically for the SKWC race last year, was one of the tracks they released as their own work. The same goes for a few other circuits. There is no motivation for me to make content for a community that will take and take, but never give respect. I have left these members alone, I have tried to maintain a "benefit of the doubt" approach to all of this, but more than anything, I just want to see them give respect. I don't have anything against them, and I don't want to have any more conflict, but they are perpetuating the problems by refusing to give up. It's pointless for me to argue anymore. I've presented all of the proof that the content is a blatant copy, yet PiBoSo ignores it, and so do they. This is shameful and embarrassing, and it's not being solved, which makes the entire situation worse. I'd like to begin modding for WRS and GPB, but this debacle erased any and all motivation to work. I took a month off of this forum, and came back to a train wreck. Everyone, just stop fighting. Please.
@Birel-Rotax 42: your last post is the kind of post one expects from mature people. Kind of the first one in this whole discussion.
I don't "attack you/MRO" on the licensing thing, it was just a question and I take my hat off to you for asking permission (something that modders rarely do, even if it's probably easier to do it for karts than for bikes/cars).
I do understand your frustration in seeing your work being stolen and/or modified without permission: what I'm just saying is that, as a creator, you could have a much more relaxed approach to that.
You put out a mod (whenever you think it's fit enough to be shipped) to the community: from that moment on, it's out in the wild. If it's released to all the community, there's no reasont to steal it, so part of the problem is solved. Now, people may want to modify it: they should ask your permission, if they don't that's bad. If they take it and claim it's their creation that's extra bad and can be easily proven most of the time.
Why would that make you mad ? They are silly people, the web (and the world) is full of them. The community will be able to see that it's your creation: credit and esteem will be for you, surely not for them.
Mods in Piboso's games are not protected in any way: I think at the moment they should be treated more or less as open source software. Once the mod is out, it's public and people can alter it but they must credit the original author.
Notice that it is technically possible to protect the mods (e.g. in GPB the default bikes have sounds that are encrypted): some sort of encryption of all the mod files (including the .cfg and .ini) could give you some protection, up to a point at least.
To me that (encrypting mods) would be not so good however: sharing a mod is a way to show the others how you achieved the results. It's sharing knowledge. I value this a lot for a non-profit community.
But I have to say that most of the modders seems to be utterly jealous of their secrets (including some GPB modders), not sure why though ... probably ego. I find it funny because many of the things they know, they got them from somebody else (a previous modder, Piboso, ...).
In the end, all the modders have taken plenty of information from the kart/bikes/cars that Piboso has put in his games: he shared his knowledge, for the benefit of the game and community.
Leechers will be leechers, no matter if you make your mod private or public. The only difference is that if you make it private, part of the community will not see your mod (and may end up seeing only the leeched bad copy of it).
MaX.
I don't think any of the main modders on this forum are secretive about how they make things, drkarter made a video on how to fully mod an engine. Birel-rotax always gives help to drkarter when they are on teamspeak and Cory Hayes has stated he is willing to make a full tutorial on how to make bodywork plus he's made an attempt to be transparent when solutions are presented to problems he hits (check th DAP kart post) and Max tadd also helps out birel-rotax and drkarter with stuff when they're on teamspeak together.
Also you can't really learn much from just looking at modded files, there isn't an explanation for stuff in the files like I really couldn't figure out how to make an engine dyno from looking at the file for it because what units would you use for it?
And I don't think either Corrie or drkarter are truly mad the content was taken definitely annoyed but not out right mad. From what drkarter was saying the other day it's piboso's lack of action to stop it and drkarter actually said the reason he used all that profanity was to attract piboso's attention which I mean obviously it did. Though neither him nor I think that actually justifies it and he said he accepts the ban I'm just saying. Also I think mod encryption would be good because you can't really learn about modding just going through files so at least it prevents people from taking stuff.
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Also you can't really learn much from just looking at modded files, there isn't an explanation for stuff in the files like I really couldn't figure out how to make an engine dyno from looking at the file for it because what units would you use for it?
Well, that may be the case for you. In GPB when the physics has been shown unencrypted for the 1st time, some people figured out 90% of it without any explanation from Piboso. You have to have some technical knowledge of the stuff though.
The dyno is trivial stuff to figure out, unless one is still at high school (or is studying ancient history :) ).
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 07, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Also you can't really learn much from just looking at modded files, there isn't an explanation for stuff in the files like I really couldn't figure out how to make an engine dyno from looking at the file for it because what units would you use for it?
Well, that may be the case for you. In GPB when the physics has been shown unencrypted for the 1st time, some people figured out 90% of it without any explanation from Piboso. You have to have some technical knowledge of the stuff though.
The dyno is trivial stuff to figure out, unless one is still at high school (or is studying ancient history :) ).
MaX.
True you can figure out stuff from looking at files and just trying things, but that doesn't require unencrypted mods. It requires an example file that is unencrypted not some one elses work because theoretically you can learn all your modding from piboso so no need to involve some other persons work. And yes the dyno is trivial but simply looking at it you wouldn't know that to the right of the comma needs to be torque in newton meters and you're never going to figure that out staring at it. and since it's relevant I'm in high school and pretty much all the other modders on this forum are either in it or just out so your implication that highschool is the cut off for knowing how to mod is a little insulting
lluc215 banned for 15 days, too.
He was just insulting and nothing else.
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
And yes the dyno is trivial but simply looking at it you wouldn't know that to the right of the comma needs to be torque in newton meters and you're never going to figure that out staring at it.
Strange, because that is exactly what on GPB side has been figured out immediately by plenty.
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
and since it's relevant I'm in high school and pretty much all the other modders on this forum are either in it or just out so your implication that highschool is the cut off for knowing how to mod is a little insulting
It's not insulting, we all went to high school at some point. It's that, at least on GPB forum, there are plenty of people with quite decent knowledge of bikes, engines, chassis etc.
For this kind of people, what looks difficult to you is plain trivial.
Making a good mod (bike or kart) is surely much more than being able to find a dyno run or being able to create a nice 3d.
Fine tuning the physics is what takes time: it's there that sharing the knowledge will benefit to the community. Tere are plenty capable to work with 3ds, Maya, Blender or whatever.
There are much less that do understand how tyres work in KRP (just an example).
But it's OK for me you/your pals don't like to do that: it's just a pity for all the other KRP players and potential modders.
Personally I care little, I play only GPB.
Sop peace for me.You all can continue your personal war against the spaniards or whoever will do the same thing the next time.
MaX.
P.S.
The exchanges where someone proposed (and someone accepted) to sort the issue out with a race in KRP, Tupa vs SKWC, western style, is just hilarious.
I think it's no longer there (deleted), which is a true pity because it was a gem.
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 08, 2015, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
And yes the dyno is trivial but simply looking at it you wouldn't know that to the right of the comma needs to be torque in newton meters and you're never going to figure that out staring at it.
Strange, because that is exactly what on GPB side has been figured out immediately by plenty.
I highly doubt they figured that out by them selves but ok
Quote from: elliottbud on October 07, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
and since it's relevant I'm in high school and pretty much all the other modders on this forum are either in it or just out so your implication that highschool is the cut off for knowing how to mod is a little insulting
It's not insulting, we all went to high school at some point. It's that, at least on GPB forum, there are plenty of people with quite decent knowledge of bikes, engines, chassis etc.
For this kind of people, what looks difficult to you is plain trivial.
Making a good mod (bike or kart) is surely much more than being able to find a dyno run or being able to create a nice 3d.
Fine tuning the physics is what takes time: it's there that sharing the knowledge will benefit to the community. Tere are plenty capable to work with 3ds, Maya, Blender or whatever.
There are much less that do understand how tyres work in KRP (just an example).
But it's OK for me you/your pals don't like to do that: it's just a pity for all the other KRP players and potential modders.
Personally I care little, I play only GPB.
Sop peace for me.You all can continue your personal war against the spaniards or whoever will do the same thing the next time.
MaX.
P.S.
The exchanges where someone proposed (and someone accepted) to sort the issue out with a race in KRP, Tupa vs SKWC, western style, is just hilarious.
I think it's no longer there (deleted), which is a true pity because it was a gem.
It's incredible you're so elitest about the GP-bikes forum, and you clearly have no familiarity with this forum. You talk about it as if you know it but clearly you don't, you act as if the modders only take their knowledge and hide but there's multiple case of modders showing people how to do things and offering help on stuff.
Regardless I don't even get what you're trying argue here. The 4 modders for this game (there are literally only 4)all mess with physics, tires and the like but they don't need to for an engine mod. Piboso has done the physics to a point that they are very accurate and as such the only modding that needs to be done is engine/kart with good 3d and a dyno because regardless of engine it doesn't affect the physics of how a kart drives it may affect handling cause of power and weight but you still wouldn't need to change the physics because in real life regardless of it being a shifter or a tag or a 100c engine the chassis doesn't need to change and is only affected by the engine.
I really dont see how this fact is even the slightest bit of a shame for the community nor do i see how modders current behavior in regards to what they mod is bad. There is no reason to develop physics mods and there's no real reason to mess with tires, it happens but non of it is ever released because its just banter. The only exception is the rotax mod which is getting custom tires.
The only reason I'm not releasing the Dap/Vintage is because I don't want taddzy to have it.....
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Quote from: DRkarter97 on October 21, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
PS. Piboso made this a "a tiny and delicate [community]" when he ruined netcode, I made efforts to fix that ::)
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So when's this SKWC vs KRP Spain race?
Quote from: Hamilton44 on October 23, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
So when's this SKWC vs KRP Spain race?
I think is not neccesary to do that race
HEY GUYS ITS NICOLE