I have a Top Kart and have been seeing results on the local level but not seeing very good results on the national level. I was wondering if anybody has had a Top Kart and has transffered from it to an OTK kart and can tell me the differences and simularities and which one they recommend. Thanks :D
Honestly you shouldn't even compare these since one always wins at the national level while the other hardly wins other then malukas. To me just look at the results and that automatically shows whats fast and whats not
Otk is only a trend the Chassis isnt fast er its only easier to Steer, we tested it out allready
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 08, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
Otk is only a trend the Chassis isnt fast er its only easier to Steer, we tested it out allready
::)
CRG4EVER
Quote from: hugo72 on November 08, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
CRG4EVER
Relevance to the topic?
My opinion is the same as Marco's. The Birel S6 has been a dream to drive, and in my mind is very competitive with OTK karts. Addressing Marco's thing about steering, I believe it is because the chassis has A LOT more castor built into the chassis compared to Freeline and CRG, but that's what I have seen. Never taken a look at homolgation info, but I assume that is the reason.
Yes Corrie right, the New birel and flandria have the same Option to give more caster, the otk is easier to drive because bigger steering wheel and Ackermann uses on high Position, otk drivers must steer more then the other Brands, but its not faster :)
If you setup right you can win with alot of Chassis.
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on November 08, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: hugo72 on November 08, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
CRG4EVER
Relevance to the topic?
My opinion is the same as Marco's. The Birel S6 has been a dream to drive, and in my mind is very competitive with OTK karts. Addressing Marco's thing about steering, I believe it is because the chassis has A LOT more castor built into the chassis compared to Freeline and CRG, but that's what I have seen. Never taken a look at homolgation info, but I assume that is the reason.
Corrie , in real life , i race with CRG-Rotax JR and for me the chassis it's P.E.R.F.E.C.T
Quote from: hugo72 on November 08, 2014, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on November 08, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: hugo72 on November 08, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
CRG4EVER
Relevance to the topic?
My opinion is the same as Marco's. The Birel S6 has been a dream to drive, and in my mind is very competitive with OTK karts. Addressing Marco's thing about steering, I believe it is because the chassis has A LOT more castor built into the chassis compared to Freeline and CRG, but that's what I have seen. Never taken a look at homolgation info, but I assume that is the reason.
Corrie , in real life , i race with CRG-Rotax JR and for me the chassis it's P.E.R.F.E.C.T
But we talk about the comparison and not about what everybody prefeer
Ok.
Sorry
#HugoStopImitatingCoryInSignature
Yeah, i tested the Tony anc it has a lot more standard caster. But its lighter, softer and much (!) better to drive than CRG, which will finally result in faster laptimes. Didnt test freeline though.
Its not Tristan, look the whole thing otk is international at first but also always on last Position. And your LH Chassis is not up to date ;)
Its like you test an Mercedes gp 2010 against a 2014 model ;) take gränz crg Prototyp against otk its will be the same time
#OkKartLH
Iv raced otk!! Talko and Tb and tbh the tony is faster!! It's harder to make others work so we'll but the I'm qual on all!! Otk I think is best tbh!! We'll in the uk anyway!!
No its not, on this Market there is not a best chassis !! Its the Team, Drivers, Chassis, Engine a wonder chassis are not aviable in this Market
So basically what most of you all are saying is that OTK is just easier to steer do to more castor and there is nothing else much different?
The small otk brake is the most awesome brake ive ever driven.
99% says completly different, or you try to unbuild the brake, then try it to build it up again you will get crazy :D
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 10, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
World Champ KF 1-2-3 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-championship-standings.html
World Champ KF-J 1-2-3-4-5 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-junior-championship-standings.html
No doubts, OTK the best
Quote from: fmaisonnave on November 10, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 10, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
World Champ KF 1-2-3 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-championship-standings.html
World Champ KF-J 1-2-3-4-5 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-junior-championship-standings.html
No doubts, OTK the best
Do you not understand?
It's not only the fucking chassis that wins.
It's the driver engine and luck.
Quote from: Lachlan Hall on November 10, 2014, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: fmaisonnave on November 10, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 10, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
World Champ KF 1-2-3 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-championship-standings.html
World Champ KF-J 1-2-3-4-5 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-junior-championship-standings.html
No doubts, OTK the best
Do you not understand?
It's not only the fucking chassis that wins.
It's the driver engine and luck.
Well buy a OTK it have good luck and you will have good engines too
Edit: This is a Joke haha
Quote from: fmaisonnave on November 10, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 10, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
World Champ KF 1-2-3 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-championship-standings.html
World Champ KF-J 1-2-3-4-5 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-junior-championship-standings.html
No doubts, OTK the best
Ok then i Explain you
We will do a bit Math, and see whats the best Chassis !
.... KF - 34 Drivers (OTK 22 Drivers, Zanardi 4 Drivers, CRG 2 Drivers, ART 2 Drivers, birel 2 Drivers, 1 Top Kart Drivers,Praga 1 Drivers
For Example (Birel P1 P3 P9 = 1+3+9= 13 13/3 drivers = 4,3 Quote) as less as possible will win
OTK Position - 1 2 3 6 7 10 13 14 15 16 19 20 21 22 24 25 27 28 30 31 32 34 = 17,5
Zanardi Position - 4 5 9 11 = 7,25
CRG Position - 8 26 = 17
ART Position - 18 33 = 25,5
Birel Position - 17 29 = 23
Top Position - 12 = 12
Praga Position - 23 = 23
So we see OTK have 22 Chances to win a get good points but the SUPER BOMB UNBEATABLE chassis still also on the last places
The Best Chassis is
1. Zanardi - 7,25 (3/4 Drivers was in Top Ten its 75%, the 4 Drivers was P11)
2. Top Kart (oh 1 Driver still take better Quote then 22 OTK Drivers)
3. CRG
4. OTK
5 Birel/Praga
6. ART
So OTK is REALLY ONLY a TREND, you can win near to all Chassis, if you setup it right. We Allready bought Tony Karts and Tested in all Race Situations Race Dry FullGrip LowGrip against our Material its not a big diffence +-0,1 always.
The Best Chassis on the Market is that Chassis in them you Feel Perfect !!!
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 11, 2014, 01:14:02 AM
Quote from: fmaisonnave on November 10, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 10, 2014, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 10, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Over all at the national level OTK is the superior kart not only because it is a softer chassis (from what ive heard from drives who race them) but also because of the wide variety of teams that provide support for the OTK brand. Also as i believe John said very few people win on Top karts while with OTK is it not uncommon to find at least one OTK kart in the top five in almost every class on the national level that is.
and OTK is at the last 10 Places in all races also :D
World Champ KF 1-2-3 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-championship-standings.html
World Champ KF-J 1-2-3-4-5 OTK
http://www.cikfia.com/competitions/cik-standing/2014/2014-cik-fia-world-kf-junior-championship-standings.html
No doubts, OTK the best
Ok then i Explain you
We will do a bit Math, and see whats the best Chassis !
.... KF - 34 Drivers (OTK 22 Drivers, Zanardi 4 Drivers, CRG 2 Drivers, ART 2 Drivers, birel 2 Drivers, 1 Top Kart Drivers,Praga 1 Drivers
For Example (Birel P1 P3 P9 = 1+3+9= 13 13/3 drivers = 4,3 Quote) as less as possible will win
OTK Position - 1 2 3 6 7 10 13 14 15 16 19 20 21 22 24 25 27 28 30 31 32 34 = 17,5
Zanardi Position - 4 5 9 11 = 7,25
CRG Position - 8 26 = 17
ART Position - 18 33 = 25,5
Birel Position - 17 29 = 23
Top Position - 12 = 12
Praga Position - 23 = 23
So we see OTK have 22 Chances to win a get good points but the SUPER BOMB UNBEATABLE chassis still also on the last places
The Best Chassis is
1. Zanardi - 7,25 (3/4 Drivers was in Top Ten its 75%, the 4 Drivers was P11)
2. Top Kart (oh 1 Driver still take better Quote then 22 OTK Drivers)
3. CRG
4. OTK
5 Birel/Praga
6. ART
So OTK is REALLY ONLY a TREND, you can win near to all Chassis, if you setup it right. We Allready bought Tony Karts and Tested in all Race Situations Race Dry FullGrip LowGrip against our Material its not a big diffence +-0,1 always.
The Best Chassis on the Market is that Chassis in them you Feel Perfect !!!
Great Review, but the OTK will always have bad average if there are 22 OTK the minimum average will be 11, if OTK would be like Zanardi with only 4 super pro drivers or only race with OTK RFM and the factories team like Kosmic,Tony and FA, Will have a Great Average like Zanardi.
But the greatest kart is in which one you go faster, and you feel confident, as you said.
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 11, 2014, 01:41:04 AM
Marco you did all your testing on the European market, this is America our tracks are lower grip and so the OTK usually prevails as it is a slightly softer chassis and has other differences. Also it has more teams that support it. While the Top kart in Europe might be a respectable fast chassis here it is not a chassis many fast drivers choose. and while I agree any chassis can win the OTK v. Top Kart hands down OTK
No, we Testet with Sabrina Formal in the US, and the Flandria was 0.3 Faster then the Tony in the US Market.
But it is how it is (you must understand the whole thing)
OTK in US also becomes the Trend 2012-2014, it was the whole World, but the OTK time is finish, the Production Problems are to much, the give out 4/10 Tubes are bent by the Factory.
Some guys bought new chassis, suddenly they was 0.5 Slower then before with the older chassis.
Thats why i can say ... OTK is a Trend nothing more ;)
fmaisonnave the Average is correct if OTK would be 1-22 Place they would easy win, but you must always see the Whole, if a Chassis is P1 2 3 but at Same time 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 ... its not a super chassis :D if i would give the winner a Flandria with the Same engine what he use, and with his driving skills and Team Skills, he would win too
For sure, but i have sooooo much Contacts in the US, but for the end without Discussing the next 5 Month.
There is not a big difference its all about the driver :D
Thanks guys for all your help, I think since I don't have a lot of money I am probably going to stick with the Top Kart unless I get sponsored. If I do get sponsored I think I am going to get and FA Kart and join J3 Competition for 2015. Thanks again.
Quote from: DRkarter97 on November 11, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Marco Dakic on November 11, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
For sure, but i have sooooo much Contacts in the US, but for the end without Discussing the next 5 Month.
There is not a big difference its all about the driver :D
I understand you want to end this arguement but honestly get off your high horse you do not live hear and you do not know me so how you can be so sure you have more contacts I have no idea.
No i didnt say i have more, i said i have mich, and i have the right persons about their knowledge and experience :)
The Rest i dont care, i know that in my Region our Material works to the best :)
TopKart In mini is soo good
:) jealousyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Quote from: Myles Rowe Top Kart #6 on November 11, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
Thanks guys for all your help, I think since I don't have a lot of money I am probably going to stick with the Top Kart unless I get sponsored. If I do get sponsored I think I am going to get and FA Kart and join J3 Competition for 2015. Thanks again.
Finally off my unneeded forum ban from here, hopefully I am not too late and can shed some light on some things.
1) While personally I do believe that an OTK chassis has a better out-of-the-box setup at American tracks, it is not going to give you anything more than a tenth to two tenths at most, unless you are racing in Rotax on Mojos, where setup is more key as you have less grip to work with.
2) Since you are on a Top Kart and under the Top Kart USA tent at nationals, you should be comparing yourself to the best driver in your class under the tent. In this case, those two top guns are Zach Holden and David Malukas, and your last race at New Castle they both were far ahead of you.
3) This leads me to my next point. While you say you've had some "success" at locals, you have to understand that in your situation at GoPro Motorplex, the X30 blows the Leopard out of the water. In the Senior classes it is a good 5-8 tenths of a second with the weights being balanced by 10-20 pounds, because the track is all mid-range. It does not have super long straightaways like New Castle, nor does it have super low end corners like at Beaverun. The X30 has most of the capabilites of a Leopard, but the Leopard has no mid-range when compared to other TaGs, and since the X30 does, it is extremely overpowered there. On top of this, in Juniors the X30 Jr package is already faster than the Leopard even at non mid-range dominating tracks, I.E. Braden Eves being 7 tenths off Saturday at WKA and near your speed on his Leopard, then switching to an X30 on Sunday and being over half a second up on the field in lap times. What am I getting at? Neil Verhagen does not own an X30, and if he does he doesn't care enough for local events to switch out motors every time from his national Leopards for SKUSA and WKA. This is why you can keep up with him and Anthony Gangi, because at Mooresville, without any weight balancing, the X30 is a good second faster than any Leopard.
Then, when you go to WKA Nationals, you are off the pace because everyone there has an X30. Literally, every driver in the field. So, when in a level-playing field, you are far off pace, and blaming it on the chassis. I think you need to focus more on your driving and improving that before you start comparing chassis brands as to why you are so far off. Once you get to David Malukas's pace at any given track, then you can begin to blame a Top Kart if you are still far off.
P.S. J3 Competition just made the official announcement that they will be fielding their own chassis, a Comp Kart, in 2015, and they will probably no longer support any OTKs under the tent. Also, if you're wondering if it was an FA Kart that made Braden fast, then don't kid yourself. All OTKs are the same, and there is no reason to choose one color of paint over the other.
Quote from: Xander Clements on November 14, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Myles Rowe Top Kart #6 on November 11, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
Thanks guys for all your help, I think since I don't have a lot of money I am probably going to stick with the Top Kart unless I get sponsored. If I do get sponsored I think I am going to get and FA Kart and join J3 Competition for 2015. Thanks again.
Finally off my unneeded forum ban from here, hopefully I am not too late and can shed some light on some things.
1) While personally I do believe that an OTK chassis has a better out-of-the-box setup at American tracks, it is not going to give you anything more than a tenth to two tenths at most, unless you are racing in Rotax on Mojos, where setup is more key as you have less grip to work with.
2) Since you are on a Top Kart and under the Top Kart USA tent at nationals, you should be comparing yourself to the best driver in your class under the tent. In this case, those two top guns are Zach Holden and David Malukas, and your last race at New Castle they both were far ahead of you.
3) This leads me to my next point. While you say you've had some "success" at locals, you have to understand that in your situation at GoPro Motorplex, the X30 blows the Leopard out of the water. In the Senior classes it is a good 5-8 tenths of a second with the weights being balanced by 10-20 pounds, because the track is all mid-range. It does not have super long straightaways like New Castle, nor does it have super low end corners like at Beaverun. The X30 has most of the capabilites of a Leopard, but the Leopard has no mid-range when compared to other TaGs, and since the X30 does, it is extremely overpowered there. On top of this, in Juniors the X30 Jr package is already faster than the Leopard even at non mid-range dominating tracks, I.E. Braden Eves being 7 tenths off Saturday at WKA and near your speed on his Leopard, then switching to an X30 on Sunday and being over half a second up on the field in lap times. What am I getting at? Neil Verhagen does not own an X30, and if he does he doesn't care enough for local events to switch out motors every time from his national Leopards for SKUSA and WKA. This is why you can keep up with him and Anthony Gangi, because at Mooresville, without any weight balancing, the X30 is a good second faster than any Leopard.
Then, when you go to WKA Nationals, you are off the pace because everyone there has an X30. Literally, every driver in the field. So, when in a level-playing field, you are far off pace, and blaming it on the chassis. I think you need to focus more on your driving and improving that before you start comparing chassis brands as to why you are so far off. Once you get to David Malukas's pace at any given track, then you can begin to blame a Top Kart if you are still far off.
P.S. J3 Competition just made the official announcement that they will be fielding their own chassis, a Comp Kart, in 2015, and they will probably no longer support any OTKs under the tent. Also, if you're wondering if it was an FA Kart that made Braden fast, then don't kid yourself. All OTKs are the same, and there is no reason to choose one color of paint over the other.
If you race with MOBLOWS, might be the chassis
If you have ANY OTHER tire, not the kart. Top karts are good with low track grip with a good tire. Thats why Malukas and Holden are so fast.
Reference: My experience with Rotax and Leopard
Quote from: Xander Clements on November 14, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Myles Rowe Top Kart #6 on November 11, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
Thanks guys for all your help, I think since I don't have a lot of money I am probably going to stick with the Top Kart unless I get sponsored. If I do get sponsored I think I am going to get and FA Kart and join J3 Competition for 2015. Thanks again.
Finally off my unneeded forum ban from here, hopefully I am not too late and can shed some light on some things.
1) While personally I do believe that an OTK chassis has a better out-of-the-box setup at American tracks, it is not going to give you anything more than a tenth to two tenths at most, unless you are racing in Rotax on Mojos, where setup is more key as you have less grip to work with.
2) Since you are on a Top Kart and under the Top Kart USA tent at nationals, you should be comparing yourself to the best driver in your class under the tent. In this case, those two top guns are Zach Holden and David Malukas, and your last race at New Castle they both were far ahead of you.
3) This leads me to my next point. While you say you've had some "success" at locals, you have to understand that in your situation at GoPro Motorplex, the X30 blows the Leopard out of the water. In the Senior classes it is a good 5-8 tenths of a second with the weights being balanced by 10-20 pounds, because the track is all mid-range. It does not have super long straightaways like New Castle, nor does it have super low end corners like at Beaverun. The X30 has most of the capabilites of a Leopard, but the Leopard has no mid-range when compared to other TaGs, and since the X30 does, it is extremely overpowered there. On top of this, in Juniors the X30 Jr package is already faster than the Leopard even at non mid-range dominating tracks, I.E. Braden Eves being 7 tenths off Saturday at WKA and near your speed on his Leopard, then switching to an X30 on Sunday and being over half a second up on the field in lap times. What am I getting at? Neil Verhagen does not own an X30, and if he does he doesn't care enough for local events to switch out motors every time from his national Leopards for SKUSA and WKA. This is why you can keep up with him and Anthony Gangi, because at Mooresville, without any weight balancing, the X30 is a good second faster than any Leopard.
Then, when you go to WKA Nationals, you are off the pace because everyone there has an X30. Literally, every driver in the field. So, when in a level-playing field, you are far off pace, and blaming it on the chassis. I think you need to focus more on your driving and improving that before you start comparing chassis brands as to why you are so far off. Once you get to David Malukas's pace at any given track, then you can begin to blame a Top Kart if you are still far off.
P.S. J3 Competition just made the official announcement that they will be fielding their own chassis, a Comp Kart, in 2015, and they will probably no longer support any OTKs under the tent. Also, if you're wondering if it was an FA Kart that made Braden fast, then don't kid yourself. All OTKs are the same, and there is no reason to choose one color of paint over the other.
Thanks Xander for the info and Neil does race with the X30 motor at GoPro Motorplex just fyi. Thanks ;D
Quote from: Myles Rowe Top Kart #6 on November 18, 2014, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: Xander Clements on November 14, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Myles Rowe Top Kart #6 on November 11, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
Thanks guys for all your help, I think since I don't have a lot of money I am probably going to stick with the Top Kart unless I get sponsored. If I do get sponsored I think I am going to get and FA Kart and join J3 Competition for 2015. Thanks again.
Finally off my unneeded forum ban from here, hopefully I am not too late and can shed some light on some things.
1) While personally I do believe that an OTK chassis has a better out-of-the-box setup at American tracks, it is not going to give you anything more than a tenth to two tenths at most, unless you are racing in Rotax on Mojos, where setup is more key as you have less grip to work with.
2) Since you are on a Top Kart and under the Top Kart USA tent at nationals, you should be comparing yourself to the best driver in your class under the tent. In this case, those two top guns are Zach Holden and David Malukas, and your last race at New Castle they both were far ahead of you.
3) This leads me to my next point. While you say you've had some "success" at locals, you have to understand that in your situation at GoPro Motorplex, the X30 blows the Leopard out of the water. In the Senior classes it is a good 5-8 tenths of a second with the weights being balanced by 10-20 pounds, because the track is all mid-range. It does not have super long straightaways like New Castle, nor does it have super low end corners like at Beaverun. The X30 has most of the capabilites of a Leopard, but the Leopard has no mid-range when compared to other TaGs, and since the X30 does, it is extremely overpowered there. On top of this, in Juniors the X30 Jr package is already faster than the Leopard even at non mid-range dominating tracks, I.E. Braden Eves being 7 tenths off Saturday at WKA and near your speed on his Leopard, then switching to an X30 on Sunday and being over half a second up on the field in lap times. What am I getting at? Neil Verhagen does not own an X30, and if he does he doesn't care enough for local events to switch out motors every time from his national Leopards for SKUSA and WKA. This is why you can keep up with him and Anthony Gangi, because at Mooresville, without any weight balancing, the X30 is a good second faster than any Leopard.
Then, when you go to WKA Nationals, you are off the pace because everyone there has an X30. Literally, every driver in the field. So, when in a level-playing field, you are far off pace, and blaming it on the chassis. I think you need to focus more on your driving and improving that before you start comparing chassis brands as to why you are so far off. Once you get to David Malukas's pace at any given track, then you can begin to blame a Top Kart if you are still far off.
P.S. J3 Competition just made the official announcement that they will be fielding their own chassis, a Comp Kart, in 2015, and they will probably no longer support any OTKs under the tent. Also, if you're wondering if it was an FA Kart that made Braden fast, then don't kid yourself. All OTKs are the same, and there is no reason to choose one color of paint over the other.
Thanks Xander for the info and Neil does race with the X30 motor at GoPro Motorplex just fyi. Thanks ;D
My apologies about that. I only saw the one picture of him and Gangi on your instagram both running Leopards.
In reference to the first post in this topic, OTK is better, no doubt.
Quote from: DRkarter97 on February 15, 2015, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: blake_hunt on February 15, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
In reference to the first post in this topic, OTK is better, no doubt.
*In reference to the first post from 4 months ago
I know the kid, and know he still has a Top Kart... ;)