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As I have finalized my model for the Mini Max, as well as the dyno information, shall we run the full-sized or cadet chassis for the Mini?
Vote... I will do both, but I may only release one.

i think it should be done on full size mate ;)

I'm leaning towards that only because it produces significantly more than 10 horsepower.

the micro should go on the cadet but not the mini max otherwise what would be the point of having a micro

I agree. Furthermore, after driving a mini for a year, and having 2 years of Junior, I feel that a Minimax belongs on a full-sized kart. Apparently, so does BRP/Rotax...
http://www.gorotax.com/rules-and-regulations/technical-bulletins/127-technical-bulletin-mini-max-2015-chassis-regulations.html

can you release ??

The poll is to determine what chassis it is on. It is ready to be released.

here the minimax has always been on full size

take cadett

please i want to drive !!!

can you send a picture on the engien

here, mini max have the normal chassis as senior for example(just without frontbrake). but they are the same size as the normal kart chassis

(http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1007/zmk3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/2208/4c69.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/8702/z7sf.jpg)
Above is the full-sized and cadet versions of the Minimax. The full-sized kart is using the cadet driver, but can be changed.
Another question...
Use the cadet driver model?

maybe for the cadet driver in the full size make some pedal extenders so that the model can reach the pedals? quite a nice idea though with the cadet driver in the adult

Just don't know how to change hands position...

so much cooler in the mini kart

can i test whit the mini kart pls

minimax is better on the full sized chassi

are you kiding whit me mini max must go whit mini 60 chassie

when will the poll finish? why dont you release it on both karts? then people can just drive there prefered one :)

the mini chassi is too small for minimax

the mini driver on the full sized chassis is probably best, mini max runs on full sized chassis same as KF3 and Junior max, but the drivers tend to be smaller, as their about 12

Since the chassis have different characteristics, they won't be able to race online together. The poll will end when we reach a consensus in the comments, plus when there is good feedback given. What I might do is create both and  run a beta testing for a week or so, and get feedback, because I am looking for what the community wants. Personally, I drove Birel in Minimax, and drove a chassis that was a 1010mm wheelbase, which is just shorter than a full-sized. As of now, I have my reasons for wanting to go with both. Soon, I will make a download database for Rotax MAX where feedback will be recorded, and a gallery of all the Rotax engines so people know which is which. For now, keep voting and giving opinions. They are really helpful, because I have changed my mind on which chassis I prefer many times so far. However, keep in mind that with both come consequences, in terms of handling/performance, because the full-sized chassis weighs 55kg, driver weighs 70 (I don't know about the mini chassis weight or mini driver weight) and in reality all Rotax engines (aside from the Micro MAX) weigh 23.6kg ish with water. At that point, the Minimax on a cadet kart accelerates better (it may be the size of the kart throwing me off), but it also weighs 14kg over the 235 that it should weigh. I could take the engine weight down to 10kg and make the entire weight be 35kg, but it still feels slow out of the corner. On the other hand, the Mini chassis doesn't have near as much grip, plus doesn't have OTK and Freeline bodywork. Anyway, keep giving suggestions, as this project is community-driven. I would argue that Minimax is the most controversial class around the world because of the lack of rules regarding if they run full chassis with 2 fronts and 2 wide rear tires or if they run cadet karts with 4 front tires, or full chassis with 4 front tires, or any combination of that.

wooow they finaly arn't even  :D

release date?

Do one whit caddet and one whit full-zised

good idea alonso

@f.alonso:
As I said before, they can't race online. Unless you want to separate karts, you can't race them together.

when is the vote to end birel rotax 42

it just the big chassie in england

I will keep polls going until they stop flip-flopping every day.

The Regulation of Mini Max is Fullsize kart also from ROTAX OFFICIAL, and emil not only in ENgland drive fullsized also in Germany and also in Belgium and and and ...

Mini Max Class is for Learning how to handle Fullsize kart for the next Junior Class. So its STUPID TO DO MINI MAX an CADET CHASSIE ?!?! whats wrong with you ?

Your statement that "ROTAX OFFICIAL" says the Minimax is on a full-size kart is completely wrong. In no way do the regulations (found here: http://www.gorotax.com/images/technical/2013-Pan-American-Challenge-Technical-Regulations--Micro-and-Mini.pdf and here: http://www.rotaxchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/CotASups20131.pdf   plus the 2015 regulations here: http://www.gorotax.com/rules-and-regulations/technical-bulletins/127-technical-bulletin-mini-max-2015-chassis-regulations.html and other regulations here: http://www.laf.lv/laf/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rotax-Micromax-Minimax-technical-reg.pdf) all never state that it is required to run a cadet or full-size kart. Instead, they state wheelbase: 1041.4 mm (41 inches) maximum. Furthermore, they state that any diameter of chassis between 28mm and 32mm are acceptable, with a rear axle thickness in accordance to minimum CIK/FIA regulations. As for your statements that they are run in Germany, Belgium and England, those are true, however they do run on the equivalent of a Junior Max configuration, with full rear tires. That is against most U.S. Rotax rules, which happened to host the Grand Finals in 2013. At the Grand Finals, all Minimax chassis ran with slick front tires on all 4 wheels, and had chassis of 28mm, and wheelbase of 950mm (haase kart chassis info: http://www.haase.it/chassis.php?ln=en&model=BOMBER-MINIMAX). Finally addressing your comment "what is wrong with you?" : I am struggling a little bit with my Algebra 2 Homework, as 7th degree polynomials are tricky. Other than that, I believe you need to check your information before posting criticism. Last, most of the feedback has been great, so to the people who are posting useful information, thank you. Keep it coming, as the polls will close at 12:00 MST (US Mountain Time) on the 27th of November.

-Corrie 

Here is full-sized

With whats wrong with you i didnt mean you :D i mean the community, and no its really true you can also write rotax an email they will tell you its the Mini on Full Sized much better :D

the full sized chassi is better

but u can do one class with caddet named (mini-max caddet) and one named (mini-max full-sized) I think thats a good ide because 17 want caddet and 21 want full-sized

calle thats democracy. learn it. if 21 want full size and 17 mini then its gonna be full sized, thats pretty easy

ok but it wold be fun if it can be so but I understand :) ;)

Quote from: F.Alonso on November 27, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
ok but it wold be fun if it can be so but I understand :) ;)

this is supposed to be a sim!

Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on November 24, 2013, 01:19:43 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1007/zmk3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/2208/4c69.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/8702/z7sf.jpg)
Above is the full-sized and cadet versions of the Minimax. The full-sized kart is using the cadet driver, but can be changed.
Another question...
Use the cadet driver model?

Where did you get the RK Paint and that helmet from?  sorry, havent been on the forum in a while :/

I made them.

Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on November 28, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
I made them.

Plz link them they are awsome
( of topic )

i saw yesterday in kart racing pro a minimax race.

Hey corrie why dont you release it? You will post the full pack? Because i want to drive this beautiful mod

A package with the Senior and Micro will be out in a matter of weeks with both the full-sized and mini chassis for the Minimax. Changeling so far:
-Sounds will now be integrated into multiplayer
-Junior Max will accelerate from idle faster
-Minimax on cadet chassis will weigh the same as the full-sized Minimax
-New radiator!
-New exhaust pipe
-Radiator cover goes up to 95%
-Engine heating and temperatures fixed
Added:
-Rotax Minimax
    -Full-size chassis
    -Cadet chassis
-Note: Minimax will run at around 195'F/97'C
-Note: Minimax will run a spec gear of 13 Driver Gear and 82 Rear Sprocket
Added:
-Rotax Senior
-Powervalve added to engine model


*All will come in a zip file as a group beta*

A question: what temp does the Senior run at? What temp does Micro run at?
Thank you for all of the support that you guys have given! What a project this has been. With school and racing, KRP is just about the only thing I try to get mods out for consistently (I do skins for Codemasters F1)
Thank you so much!
   -Corrie

Quote from: Birel-Rotax 42 on December 10, 2013, 12:37:22 AM
A package with the Senior and Micro will be out in a matter of weeks with both the full-sized and mini chassis for the Minimax. Changeling so far:
-Sounds will now be integrated into multiplayer
-Junior Max will accelerate from idle faster
-Minimax on cadet chassis will weigh the same as the full-sized Minimax
-New radiator!
-New exhaust pipe
-Radiator cover goes up to 95%
-Engine heating and temperatures fixed
Added:
-Rotax Minimax
    -Full-size chassis
    -Cadet chassis
-Note: Minimax will run at around 195'F/97'C
-Note: Minimax will run a spec gear of 13 Driver Gear and 82 Rear Sprocket
Added:
-Rotax Senior
-Powervalve added to engine model


*All will come in a zip file as a group beta*

A question: what temp does the Senior run at? What temp does Micro run at?
Thank you for all of the support that you guys have given! What a project this has been. With school and racing, KRP is just about the only thing I try to get mods out for consistently (I do skins for Codemasters F1)
Thank you so much!
   -Corrie

+10000

progresss??????