Hey all i just want to find out what you guys think on Beta 9, so i can add onto the Discussion :) thanks.
Positives: Mini 60
- Mini 60 looks great!
- Good Setup
- Closer racing than with other classes because of fairness with small movements on turn in
- Bump drafting isn't as bad as other classes where you step out pretty fast if not done right
- The amount of detail in the mini 60 engine and chassis
- Harder to Flip (Which is good)
Negitives: Mini 60
- No wing on the Arai SK6 in mini 60
- Should be more than one chassis make (Mini 60), for example (Tony Kart, Birel and Techno Body types).
- Air cooled engines do not run as cool as 50 Degrees (100-140 would be right)
- Revs are too low as they have a limiter of 15,500rpm seen here (http://www.remoracing.com.au/latestnews/360) with maximum power of 9.3 horsepower devleoped at 10.250 rpm.
- Engine sounds need to be developed in all classes for realistic feel.
- Not enough axle options in 30ml. And more of them like Super soft axle not only in mini 60 but all other classes(No Mini 60 kart has the option to run a 40 or higher)
- His face behind the visor is to mature in Mini 60, Need to make it look real young and drop the height of Field of view so you are not towering over the steering wheel because all the kids are just able to see where they are going.
- Choking is to fast and hand disappears whilst active.
Beta 9 Itself:
Positive:
- The new tyre options are great
- Dedicated server chat is great idea
- Max ping warning is also good
Wishlist for future updates: (Please post below so it can be added :))
- Being able to choose the height of the driver, as one size is not all.
- Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
- having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
- Choking in KZ
- Having the line of new Tyres at the start and see them fade as time progresses on track.
- Decrease the draft as it is too big a pull in Mini 60.
More to be added, i just want to say a massive thanks to PiBoSo for the game so far. I am not alone when i say you have done a great job to get the simulator to where it is today, very much appreciated and we all get a massive enjoyment out of it all. Thanks Heaps PiBoSo look forward to the future updates!
- Post below if you would like to add anything
+ 1, good job
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
1 - Dedicated server chat is great
2 - Max ping warning is also good
3 - Being able to choose the height of the driver, as one size is not all.
4 - Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
5 - having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
6 - Choking in KZ
7 - Having the line of new Tyres at the start and see them fade as time progresses on track.
1 - I tried a test of chat yesterday but the chat didn't work, worked only the command !restart
2 - after how many warnings the client is automatically kicked?
3 - in my opinion the point of view is already correct
4 - yes
5 - poor Piboso, what movement of head has to create? in real, do drivers tuck when shifting?
6 - mmm, but was it usefull only with f100?
7 - nah, it's arcadish
Quote from: oppolo on June 09, 2013, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
1 - Dedicated server chat is great
2 - Max ping warning is also good
3 - Being able to choose the height of the driver, as one size is not all.
4 - Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
5 - having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
6 - Choking in KZ
7 - Having the line of new Tyres at the start and see them fade as time progresses on track.
1 - I tried a test of chat yesterday but the chat didn't work, worked only the command !restart
2 - after how many warnings the client is automatically kicked?
3 - in my opinion the point of view is already correct
4 - yes
5 - poor Piboso, what movement of head has to create? in real, do drivers tuck when shifting?
6 - mmm, but was it usefull only with f100?
7 - nah, it's arcadish
7- Thats arcadish?
M8 do you even go kart?
look at every MG that has a coloured line, dunlops with writing in the middle? ITS SOMETHING IN REAL LIFE
#6 Choking is not only applicable in a F100. Choking applies to all classes. if you do not understand the concept of choking please ask or research and to show you some onboard footage here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfY5lhnVNk
Skip to 2:08 thay do it nearly every 2nd lap
with the point of seeing over the steering and the chassis manufactures:
-i drove mini when i was 14 i was already very tall i was able to see verything :D
-piboso said that he wont make any different chassis but the community is able to make new chassis
Thanks LauZzZn :)
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
- Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
- having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
- Choking in KZ
* When you bounce/bunny hop it is because the tyres are gripping and you are too sideways and the eninge rpm doesn't drop or anything unless your foot comes off the gas which is most of the time and would be a good feat to have
* tucking and shifting in a KZ is physically possible, have done it myself and it works as seen in this video of me doing it, ok it isn't in sprint racing but it is still possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ti5WxQ98k
* Choking a KZ helps but it isn't usually seen by a shifter kart driver as there is usually no need to choke due to front brakes unless it is very hot or you need more power then that is pretty much the only time you choke in a KZ
Quote from: Arrowjmax4 on June 09, 2013, 11:26:31 AM
7- Thats arcadish?
M8 do you even go kart?
look at every MG that has a coloured line, dunlops with writing in the middle? ITS SOMETHING IN REAL LIFE
ah sorry, I understood some sort of slide bar on the screen, so you can see the wear of tyres during race?
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
#6 Choking is not only applicable in a F100. Choking applies to all classes. if you do not understand the concept of choking please ask or research and to show you some onboard footage here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfY5lhnVNk
Skip to 2:08 thay do it nearly every 2nd lap
ah ok, but in krp, in kz1 we don't need chooking, isn't it?
Quote from: oppolo on June 09, 2013, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
#6 Choking is not only applicable in a F100. Choking applies to all classes. if you do not understand the concept of choking please ask or research and to show you some onboard footage here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfY5lhnVNk
Skip to 2:08 thay do it nearly every 2nd lap
ah ok, but in krp, in kz1 we don't need chooking, isn't it?
its not about whether you need it or not it is about the feel and characteristics of the game :)
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 09, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
- Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
- having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
- Choking in KZ
* When you bounce/bunny hop it is because the tyres are gripping and you are too sideways and the eninge rpm doesn't drop or anything unless your foot comes off the gas which is most of the time and would be a good feat to have
* tucking and shifting in a KZ is physically possible, have done it myself and it works as seen in this video of me doing it, ok it isn't in sprint racing but it is still possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ti5WxQ98k
* Choking a KZ helps but it isn't usually seen by a shifter kart driver as there is usually no need to choke due to front brakes unless it is very hot or you need more power then that is pretty much the only time you choke in a KZ
I Am meaning from European Spec style mate :)
(http://mkcracing.com.au/shop_1/images/TYMGR4web.jpg)
This is the line he is talking about, the actual line on the tire.
Quote from: MrShowtime22 on June 09, 2013, 12:31:31 PM
(http://mkcracing.com.au/shop_1/images/TYMGR4web.jpg)
This is the line he is talking about, the actual line on the tire.
every tyre manufacture has something on a brand new tyre whether it be a line, word and numbers, symbols or anything really to show that it is a fresh brand new tyre straight out of the box. vega's have a line down the middle as well I think but would have to check as the last I used a set of Vega's was a while back now
thanks guys, I'm learning so much things about karting in this forum
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 09, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
- Sounds is a very important thing, the bouncing of a KZ when in low rev range would be nice :)
- having the option to look down whilst tucking! And being able to Tuck in KZ Whilst shifting
- Choking in KZ
* When you bounce/bunny hop it is because the tyres are gripping and you are too sideways and the eninge rpm doesn't drop or anything unless your foot comes off the gas which is most of the time and would be a good feat to have
* tucking and shifting in a KZ is physically possible, have done it myself and it works as seen in this video of me doing it, ok it isn't in sprint racing but it is still possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ti5WxQ98k
* Choking a KZ helps but it isn't usually seen by a shifter kart driver as there is usually no need to choke due to front brakes unless it is very hot or you need more power then that is pretty much the only time you choke in a KZ
I very commonly see shifter kart drivers choke, and they shift whilst ducking (mainly on longer tracks like Zuera).
i'm really loved this update. Congratulations! my first impressions are excellent. Mini 60 is really really fun! just waiting for templates for this kart.
Quote from: Adriano Augusto on June 09, 2013, 09:55:05 PM
i'm really loved this update. Congratulations! my first impressions are excellent. Mini 60 is really really fun! just waiting for templates for this kart.
download them in the downloads section of kartracing-pro.com ;)
Quote from: Matthew McLean on June 09, 2013, 05:04:14 PMI very commonly see shifter kart drivers choke, and they shift whilst ducking (mainly on longer tracks like Zuera).
What does choking in a KZ do exactly, drive one myself and never tried it and didn't want to do it just in case my engine did something wrong since it's such an old engine
Choking has the same results as any other class whilst choking, you cut off the airflow and what it is doing is creating a massive suction throughout the internal part of the airbox sucking an excessive amount of fuel into the carburetor. doing this is a fast way to cool the engine down but only works when throttle is open, and KZ only chock one hole of the aribox untill 1m before breaking then they cover both just for a nice amount of gas waiting to be used :)
Quote from: Praga91 on June 09, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
- Being able to choose the height of the driver, as one size is not all.
uhmm, errata corridge ;) you are right, there is something to adjust.
I use 75 fov for all karts but for mini I use 70. also the height of mini maybe is too height
Also, one thing that I believe MUST be fixed. The draft in this sim is far too unrealistic. So much to the fact that when you're driving behind another kart on the track you lose all traction and it becomes a game of who can stay on the track of ice for the longest. In real life it is definitely not like this, the traction you lose it barely noticeable.
+1
Quote from: Matthew McLean on June 11, 2013, 06:02:56 AM
Also, one thing that I believe MUST be fixed. The draft in this sim is far too unrealistic. So much to the fact that when you're driving behind another kart on the track you lose all traction and it becomes a game of who can stay on the track of ice for the longest. In real life it is definitely not like this, the traction you lose it barely noticeable.
defo 1+
+1
+1
+1
Definitely a +1 for the beta 9. Mini 60 is amazing!
Also, this is no big deal, but shouldn't the drivers have a neck collar? ???
Most drivers around here don't wear neck protection. I find it extremely uncomfortable and the good ones are too expensive.
That's interesting. In America, its pretty much required to have one.
In my 4 years karting I've only seen one accident where a neck brace would have helped. The kid wasn't wearing one but he walked away from it....after he regained consciousness. I think they're a good thing for younger drivers whose necks are still relatively fragile, but for most adults I don't think they're really needed.
Ok then. It makes sense for kids to wear it.
America and france are about the only countries I know where neckbraces are required, most drivers avoid them as they withstrict movement, plus the braces a lot of people use are foam, which dont actually help much, unlike leat braces which are proper neck braces
They are proper but cost a lot of money. It costs about 350 US dollars for a leat brace.
yeah that is the problem, but a lot of the foam ones are actually marketed as neck supporters, as they dont fully protect against wipslash, and i raced at 10 and had big crashes into a wall and never felt i needed a neck brace. Also as karts dont have role cages if you flip you land on your head, so it is good for your neck to be able to move so you dont brake your collarbone,
Quote from: Nathan Dunnett on June 11, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Most drivers around here don't wear neck protection. I find it extremely uncomfortable and the good ones are too expensive.
unless you have super strong neck muscles then you pretty much are an idiot for not wearing one if your in something like KZ, KZ2, KF1, KF2 or pretty much anything fast and has sticky tyres because your pulling over 3G's through some corners and doing that in a final which something like over 30 laps without a neck brace is just suicide, how you would keep your head up when driving is one thing but how you would handle getting out of the kart after and doing all your other things would be just plain annoying and uncomfortable. The wet you don't necessarily need one because it's not so fast and grippy but it is defo recommended to wear one if you don't have strong neck muscles both in the wet and dry but more the dry, wet is easier to handle
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 11, 2013, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan Dunnett on June 11, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Most drivers around here don't wear neck protection. I find it extremely uncomfortable and the good ones are too expensive.
unless you have super strong neck muscles then you pretty much are an idiot for not wearing one if your in something like KZ, KZ2, KF1, KF2 or pretty much anything fast and has sticky tyres because your pulling over 3G's through some corners and doing that in a final which something like over 30 laps without a neck brace is just suicide, how you would keep your head up when driving is one thing but how you would handle getting out of the kart after and doing all your other things would be just plain annoying and uncomfortable. The wet you don't necessarily need one because it's not so fast and grippy but it is defo recommended to wear one if you don't have strong neck muscles both in the wet and dry but more the dry, wet is easier to handle
Of course for incredibly fast karts like the KZ1s or even 125cc Stock Moto or even TAGs go fast so you feel the G forces as you go through a turn unless you go incredibly slow. Better to be safe to have one.
Quote from: IceMan11 on June 11, 2013, 10:36:24 PMOf course for incredibly fast karts like the KZ1s or even 125cc Stock Moto or even TAGs go fast so you feel the G forces as you go through a turn unless you go incredibly slow. Better to be safe to have one.
I wear one myself and it does it's job and it is actually a major safety feature that can save your life, i remember being like 10 years old in cadets and being run over from the side and i was wearing a neck brace, had i not of worn one i probably would of broke my neck and from there on i have never looked back and always wear a neck brace when racing but not in the wet because the wets isn't so hard on my neck and I can handle it and as they say "Better to be safe than sorry"
Yeah, its definitely safe than sorry. Laws of nature.
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 11, 2013, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan Dunnett on June 11, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Most drivers around here don't wear neck protection. I find it extremely uncomfortable and the good ones are too expensive.
unless you have super strong neck muscles then you pretty much are an idiot for not wearing one if your in something like KZ, KZ2, KF1, KF2 or pretty much anything fast and has sticky tyres because your pulling over 3G's through some corners and doing that in a final which something like over 30 laps without a neck brace is just suicide, how you would keep your head up when driving is one thing but how you would handle getting out of the kart after and doing all your other things would be just plain annoying and uncomfortable. The wet you don't necessarily need one because it's not so fast and grippy but it is defo recommended to wear one if you don't have strong neck muscles both in the wet and dry but more the dry, wet is easier to handle
I find this comment quit wrong. Iceman97 you are not in the CIK Pro kart series? every driver like Ryan Grant, Matt Hamilton, Goob and all thos guys do not wear neck braces.
Everyone in the European WSK or WSK Master series do not wear neck braces. Daniel Bray gave a comment about how dangerous they are at the Kartsport Elite academy, How if you ever are to go over how they restrict the movement with your head falling to the side and by doing that. there is a greater chance of actually breaking your neck. without one your head can move to where ever it is being forced and you will break your collar bone. I recon neck braces are stupid as they don't help in anyway. they just get in the way. i have driven kz and done plenty of laps non stop and was fine. it depends on if you want to focus on the the muscle being built up. younger kids is fine to wear one as they dont have the ability to Gym or work on that but i recon if your older than 15 harden up and work on it. and i have rolled before without them and i was fine.
Quote from: Praga91 on June 12, 2013, 03:53:35 AM
I find this comment quit wrong. Iceman97 you are not in the CIK Pro kart series? every driver like Ryan Grant, Matt Hamilton, Goob and all thos guys do not wear neck braces.
Everyone in the European WSK or WSK Master series do not wear neck braces. Daniel Bray gave a comment about how dangerous they are at the Kartsport Elite academy, How if you ever are to go over how they restrict the movement with your head falling to the side and by doing that. there is a greater chance of actually breaking your neck. without one your head can move to where ever it is being forced and you will break your collar bone. I recon neck braces are stupid as they don't help in anyway. they just get in the way. i have driven kz and done plenty of laps non stop and was fine. it depends on if you want to focus on the the muscle being built up. younger kids is fine to wear one as they dont have the ability to Gym or work on that but i recon if your older than 15 harden up and work on it. and i have rolled before without them and i was fine.
your statement is wrong, if neck braces were dangerous then they would of been made in the first place, I have seen lives saved because of neck braces and so what I'm not in Pro kart this year, I don't have money to burn like the rest of them all and it would be waste as my gear is total shit, I would rather get ready for pro kart using my old gear and then step up into a brand new kart next year and compete and a couple of laps in KZ, mate try a whole meeting, we'll see how you are after that now no more arguing, this thread has already derailed itself enough
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 11, 2013, 10:12:28 PM
unless you have super strong neck muscles then you pretty much are an idiot for not wearing one if your in something like KZ, KZ2, KF1, KF2 or pretty much anything fast and has sticky tyres because your pulling over 3G's through some corners and doing that in a final which something like over 30 laps without a neck brace is just suicide, how you would keep your head up when driving is one thing but how you would handle getting out of the kart after and doing all your other things would be just plain annoying and uncomfortable. The wet you don't necessarily need one because it's not so fast and grippy but it is defo recommended to wear one if you don't have strong neck muscles both in the wet and dry but more the dry, wet is easier to handle
Here are a couple of photos from KZ and KF last year, count the number of neck braces:
(http://booths.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/GAC_6422_600wide.jpg)
(http://booths.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pro-Light-Final-2_12CIKSOK_5_A.Budd-3337-2_600_wide.jpg)
Do you think nearly every Australian CIK entrant is an idiot? The series was revived 4 years ago with KF1 and KZ2, and in that time there have been a few pretty massive crashes, yet no broken necks. Neck braces are more so a marketing thing than a genuine life saver, they make it out to be incredibly easy to break you neck and that if you do roll over you will break it unless you are wearing a neck brace, however in reality they can do just as much harm as they do good because they can jar your neck and generally transfer all those forces to another weak point on your body.
Quote from: Nathan Dunnett on June 12, 2013, 05:07:35 AM
Here are a couple of photos from KZ and KF last year, count the number of neck braces:
(http://booths.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/GAC_6422_600wide.jpg)
(http://booths.speedcafe.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pro-Light-Final-2_12CIKSOK_5_A.Budd-3337-2_600_wide.jpg)
Do you think nearly every Australian CIK entrant is an idiot? The series was revived 4 years ago with KF1 and KZ2, and in that time there have been a few pretty massive crashes, yet no broken necks. Neck braces are more so a marketing thing than a genuine life saver, they make it out to be incredibly easy to break you neck and that if you do roll over you will break it unless you are wearing a neck brace, however in reality they can do just as much harm as they do good because they can jar your neck and generally transfer all those forces to another weak point on your body.
so what they aren't wearing neck braces, it's your decision to wear one or not, there is no proven fact that neck braces are more dangerous than not wearing one otherwise they would all be off the market by now
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 12, 2013, 04:23:04 AM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 12, 2013, 03:53:35 AM
I find this comment quit wrong. Iceman97 you are not in the CIK Pro kart series? every driver like Ryan Grant, Matt Hamilton, Goob and all thos guys do not wear neck braces.
Everyone in the European WSK or WSK Master series do not wear neck braces. Daniel Bray gave a comment about how dangerous they are at the Kartsport Elite academy, How if you ever are to go over how they restrict the movement with your head falling to the side and by doing that. there is a greater chance of actually breaking your neck. without one your head can move to where ever it is being forced and you will break your collar bone. I recon neck braces are stupid as they don't help in anyway. they just get in the way. i have driven kz and done plenty of laps non stop and was fine. it depends on if you want to focus on the the muscle being built up. younger kids is fine to wear one as they dont have the ability to Gym or work on that but i recon if your older than 15 harden up and work on it. and i have rolled before without them and i was fine.
your statement is wrong, if neck braces were dangerous then they would of been made in the first place, I have seen lives saved because of neck braces and so what I'm not in Pro kart this year, I don't have money to burn like the rest of them all and it would be waste as my gear is total shit, I would rather get ready for pro kart using my old gear and then step up into a brand new kart next year and compete and a couple of laps in KZ, mate try a whole meeting, we'll see how you are after that now no more arguing, this thread has already derailed itself enough
Before you make Comments like that it might pay to research abit. So if every one is an idiot for not wearing a neck brace, does that mean Sebastian Vettel, Micheal Schumacher, and Ayrton Senn are idiots for not wearing one? Go and watch some WSK KZ1. they are the best drivers in the world. they do not wear neckbraces. i find them a waste of money. pointless and un needed. its your choice weather you wear one or not but they don't do anything, thats the reason why none of the fast drivers use them in New Zealand or Australia in KZ, KF or Rotax.
Weather you want to spend money in a series or not is out of the comment you have made. about people who dont wear them are 'idiots' i suggest you stop replying as you have made your self quite the fool. they are a hazard in the faster karts hence the reason no one wears them. if you have an issue with it stop replying to it because you have backtracked your self quite alot. yes it is a persons choice. and alot of people do NOT wear them as they actually focus on their motorsport be getting fit and concentrating on that particular muscle so that can endure the long races with the pressure on the neck for some time.
Nathan is right look at how many people here are wearing neck braces? how many can you count? i can't see any.. why? because they are dedicated to the sport by fitness and preparation. you may think we are wrong mate. but its quite the opposite.
KZ2_Iceman97 -1
I found with neck braces, it makes everything worse......I use to drive a kt100s with a neck brace and it hurt so bad, I now drive an x30 without one and I have 0 pain at the end of the day.
Quote from: KZ2_Iceman97 on June 12, 2013, 04:23:04 AM
Quote from: Praga91 on June 12, 2013, 03:53:35 AM
I find this comment quit wrong. Iceman97 you are not in the CIK Pro kart series? every driver like Ryan Grant, Matt Hamilton, Goob and all thos guys do not wear neck braces.
Everyone in the European WSK or WSK Master series do not wear neck braces. Daniel Bray gave a comment about how dangerous they are at the Kartsport Elite academy, How if you ever are to go over how they restrict the movement with your head falling to the side and by doing that. there is a greater chance of actually breaking your neck. without one your head can move to where ever it is being forced and you will break your collar bone. I recon neck braces are stupid as they don't help in anyway. they just get in the way. i have driven kz and done plenty of laps non stop and was fine. it depends on if you want to focus on the the muscle being built up. younger kids is fine to wear one as they dont have the ability to Gym or work on that but i recon if your older than 15 harden up and work on it. and i have rolled before without them and i was fine.
your statement is wrong, if neck braces were dangerous then they would of been made in the first place, I have seen lives saved because of neck braces and so what I'm not in Pro kart this year, I don't have money to burn like the rest of them all and it would be waste as my gear is total shit, I would rather get ready for pro kart using my old gear and then step up into a brand new kart next year and compete and a couple of laps in KZ, mate try a whole meeting, we'll see how you are after that now no more arguing, this thread has already derailed itself enough
Actually the statement is correct to an extent. In the UK a lot of the foam neck braces are now neck supports as they don't actually do the job they are meant to as a brace. Secondly, in karting neck braces can cause worse injury then a driver would sustain without one, but only in accidents such as a karting hitting your helmet, or if the kart roles and drags along on the driver (they did a talk about it at a UK karting event once). Neck braces would help in most crashes but due to the fact they tend to be designed for car and motocross racing, they don't completely fit in with karting. The exception to this is the leat braces (and similar products) that people only started using a few years ago, most neck braces people use though are not always the best option.
It just depends on the driver, whether they feel the risk of whiplash in a crash makes it worth wearing a neck brace. If people wear a good neck brace it is a good idea, but the cheaper ones that most people use have several flaws, especially involving any crash where the kart roles, or goes on top of their head.
Lastly this argument has nothing to do with KRP so i think it should stop anyway :P :P
Quote from: Diddy4957 on June 12, 2013, 09:26:40 AM
It just depends on the driver, whether they feel the risk of whiplash in a crash makes it worth wearing a neck brace. If people wear a good neck brace it is a good idea, but the cheaper ones that most people use have several flaws, especially involving any crash where the kart roles, or goes on top of their head. Lastly this argument has nothing to do with KRP so i think it should stop anyway :P :P
exactly, end of the day it's your choice whether or not you want to wear one, no matter how dangerous you think they are, this an argument not worth going on about, this thread has derailed enough now and your opinion is your opinion, we don't need to derail a thread with an arguement that has nothing to do with the actual name of the thread
in germany when you are younger than 14 you have to wear one. and im older than 14 and im still wearing mine.
Sorry, could we get back to the topic? ???
Quote from: Kimzu97 on June 12, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
Sorry, could we get back to the topic? ???
Sorry, I thought it was just a small suggestion but it dosen't matter.