dont know why but the grip in the new beta is even less on the rear.......i try all setups but the grip is very low....only i have this problem? in beta2 i can drive normally but in the beta3 its for me like on ice on the rear.....
Greets, GhostriderPL
Look at the grip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7kFb9a-LVE
Quote from: GhostriderPl on May 29, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
dont know why but the grip in the new beta is even less on the rear.......i try all setups but the grip is very low....only i have this problem? in beta2 i can drive normally but in the beta3 its for me like on ice on the rear.....
Greets, GhostriderPL
Which kart?
Grip is the same of Beta2.
Please note that tires in the sim need at least a couple laps to reach optimal temperature.
i test it a hour ago....the same setups......but the grip on the rear is not the same......in beta2 i drive 42.5 all the time without problems at lonato....in beta3 i swet to drive 42.9 because its so slippery.....dont know why.....sorry for my bad english.......
and dont know if you notice that i am not a slow driver........i drive now for over 20 years and i swear that for me the grip change.....beta2 was really fun for me...but now i dont wanna have fun at all because i only test setups to change the grip but nothing works....i reinstall beta3 and test it one more time...and kart is kf1 (shifter)
I feel as if the rear has too much grip. In actual karts its easier to break the rear end loose. I think Pibosso is doing a great job and increasing realism with every release
i think too that piboso makes a great job.....but in beta3 i must fight with the rear end and thats not good.....in beta2 it was much better.....i reinstall the game and test beta 2 and beta 3 and its a big difference......too much grip causes that it starts to purpoising and not that you are slighting (hope that i use the right words)....
and in beta 3 it feels like i drive on the front only and the rear is in the air.....in beta 2 i feel very good and can drive 20 laps with the same times.... but in beta 3 i cant drive fast because i dont feel good because i am sliding all the time....all the day i try to find the right setup but nothing changes the problem on the rear....
dont know what to do because i think this is the best kart game in history....
Something is wrong in your setup maybe
Like EVO, I feel too much rear grip and low front grip. I would like to play with lower caster values to make the kart easier to drive, but because of the low front grip, it doesn't work like I would to.
but why i use the same setups like in beta2 and there is so much difference?? Piboso says that nothing changes.....but when nothing changes then i could use the same setups and it feels the same right? but it isnt so......in this moment i drive only beta 2 for my own and stop driving online....
Quote from: GhostriderPl on May 29, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
but why i use the same setups like in beta2 and there is so much difference?? Piboso says that nothing changes.....but when nothing changes then i could use the same setups and it feels the same right? but it isnt so......in this moment i drive only beta 2 for my own and stop driving online....
Not everything is equal. Tires are exactly the same, but other parameters changed.
Have you tried changing seat position? Moving it backward / forward should change feeling a lot.
Yes i try it.....i try everything with the setup but dont get the feeling i have with beta2....dont know what to do :'(
I like this game so much but cant get the performance i get with beta2.....i really have much respect for your work and i am very proud of you so dont understand this like i dont respect what you do because your game is really good.....but when i have a problem then i say it because only with informations of the user u can make this game perfectly, right? ;) and feeling is the most important thing in driving, i know that from my own experience...
sorry for bad english
Artiz we should beg him for his setup since he has more frontt grip than rearr :) no joke
hehe, yeah!
dont know why this is so funny..........i dont want to say where i drive in real life.....but it is like i say...i can post my setup.....no problem....on the front i have enough grip......this is how people do! they dont understand so they laugh at it!! thanks
and think about this...i work 6 days per week 90 hours and drive the same times like other fast drivers........i race every two weeks (in real) and only in the night i have time to enjoy this game......and now you laugh because you dont understand my problem...thats the easiest way to ignore problems....
Ghostrider calm down, no one is laughing at you.
I haven't noticed any problems with grip in the rear with the new Beta either. For me it seems like each new version the kart balance changes a bit to give MORE rear grip as others have said.
I don't believe that you have tried every setup change available. The seat adjustment like Piboso mentioned should fix your problem immediately. Don't focus on trying to get down to the same lap times you had in previous Betas. You may never get there if the handling has changed slightly with each update.
Your setups will need to be redone probably to adapt to the new tire parameters. Or you may need to adjust your driving style like any driver would in real-life when there is a change in the tires.
understand this.....but.....when the grip changes so much than something is wrong because karts are created to have grip....and not drive like on ice.....thats my problem......when it is so that 42.3xx is only ONE lap and the rest is 43.xxx then i understand but thats not realistic......because i drive the same times in qualify and in race (in real life)...often i drive in race even faster times because i dont must think about it because i am in fights and so on....at the european championship i was 13d place at qualifying and the race i won because i dont think at times....but in beta 3 i think all the time that in the next corner i do a donut because the grip is so low...in beta 2 i dont have this problem......dont understand this.....sorry for bad english
GhostriderPl i am sorry if you understood it that way. There is alot i can learn from you. I only wish i was as fast as you. Just undestand that the SIM is changing. It is in BETA (not final). changes are drastic and frequent. expect inconsistant times until everything as been dialed in to perfection. Agian sorry for the misunderstanding.
Yes your are right about lap times dropping off. Have you played with the pressures? they drop off quick so i lower them
i fully understand that the sim is changing....but the grip changes in the wrong direction.....thats my problem....dont know why only i have this problem....like i say...on longruns i drive faster and faster but now in beta 3 this is impossible....and i dont know why
it`s the setup take a look in setup guide topic maybe this help
i know how a kart works and i try all changes possible but hte problem is still the same.....but thanks for trying to help :)
Can you put here some screenshots with your setup? Maybe we see something strange :)
how do i do a screenshot? and i can post my aktual setup because i change it every time i drive because i test and test and test
F11 i believe if not f10 they save to my ducuments Piboso > Kart racing pro> screenshots
setup files also save in there by track and class. look forward to seeing.
make screenshots but the are in .tga....what do i do with this files?
open with gimp or something like that and save as jpg and upload them maybe u can upload them as tga? i don`t know
i can upload them in .tga i think...you must know that i am not at the time with computers because i work a lot
they are to big (2,25mb)
Use www.megaupload.com (imageshack is better but harder to explain)
hope it works now
ok try it with seat horizontal 5, and chassis mid bar flat and rear bar out then you should have more grip on rear ;) and maybe caster a bit more so round about 12
Front ride height is to high, try 2.0 cm
Front track width extreme, try 2cm
Rear track width, if you want more grip, put 3cm
Rear track width is high too, why? If you drift all the time, try 3cm or below
But you will have understeer (I hate it!!) if you put lower caster
All testet.....but i try it once more
Quote from: GhostriderPl on May 31, 2011, 09:04:51 PM
All testet.....but i try it once more
upload a replay too, who knows,maybe your game is corrupted (if we cant watch it, we would know)
ok i try it...but i read that many people have problems with the temps on the rear.....thats when you sliding a lot i try to male a replay
Quote from: GhostriderPl on May 31, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
ok i try it...but i read that many people have problems with the temps on the rear.....thats when you sliding a lot i try to male a replay
Probably your problems are due to tires temperature.
This will be addressed in future releases.
dont wanna try it at this time because i am angry and dont want waste time because i have to relax from work...i drive a few laps in beta2 because this was fun for me........tomorrow i post a replay
thanks a lot for your help guys
Greets, GhostriderPL
dont know how to post a replay on youtube.......but.......i have changed many things and tested alot and is a little bit better.....now i drive on a 40mm soft rear axle and make the chassis more soft and its better....but the problem with the temps are the same.....max 9 laps and the left rear tire is hot as hell...
while playing save your replay. then goto my documents profile a replay forder should be in there. Host that file on mediafire, rapidshare, or megaupload and we will downlaod put in our replays forlders and watch. I will be learning mostly
can i post this file here? because i dont have an account on mediafire or rapidshare
https://rapidshare.com/files/1215309465/Lonato_test.rpy
here's the file......not very fast laps because the first "cold" laps of the day ;)
Hope i can help you with this
im donwloading it now. use mediafire next time its only 5 megabytes
ok...sorry but i dont know much about this things ;)
i am a racer, not a computer guy...
I saw the replay and I don't understand which is the problem... Can you give us a clue?
Now its a lot better.....i found the problem in the setup but dont understand it....however when it works then it works, but in reality it would be otherwise....
everything soft.....40mm soft rear axle...preasure on 0.80.....the rest is secret because
everyone must find the right setup by himself......like to help but i work hard on it (and i work 14 hours a day and have not much time for this........Work and Races....and at time to time KRP) ;)
in real it works a little bit different......when i would drive with this setup in real then i would have to much grip even on ice ;) one problem for me is that the track doesnt change....in real i drive 50mm hard axle and everything stiff (not always but most time) national races are different than world championships (national=normal grip wc=lot of grip)
dont know if you understand and how i can say what i want because my english isnt very good and i dont know if i write exactly what i want to say ;)
Yes...i drive as soft as i can to get grip....when i change the rear axle to 50mm (even soft) then i lost the grip on the rear and for me its not driveable.....and the problem is only on the rear...on the front i can play with the setup to get what i want...on the rear i MUST drive the settings to drive "normal"......
On a WC i dont can drive with this settings because i would have so much grip that i cant keep the steering wheel because it would purpoising (right word?) so much that it broke my hands ;) on two wheels in every corner....i drive on 40mm axle only in the rain and we have alot of more different 50mm axels (soft, harder, harder harder.....) but thats not important.....important is that this is MY opinion....other drivers say that everythings allright....but i compare it to my races and in real life i dont have any problems with te grip..when i drive on soft Bridgestones then i have much grip in every situation even when is cold outside.......i must do alot to have less grip in real life
Ghostrider,
I think it must be taken into consideration the levels of grip in the sim. Like you said, the conditions you drive in require a setup that is a certain way to achieve certain handling. I typically do the same thing as you do when there's lots of grip in the track. But you have to think of it in terms of the inside rear wheel lifting rather than the amount of grip you have. The main thing is that you are trying to get the inside rear to lift so that you can corner. In reality, a soft axle can do this or a hard axle can do this, but it is fully dependent on the track conditions. The track's grip level dictates what axle you use obviously.
For example, sometimes a stiff axle (which generates a stable, quick lift of the inside rear in high grip conditions) can make the kart too free if you are getting too quick of a lift on turn-in. In this instance, a soft axle could slow that lift down and make it so you don't lose traction and have to counter-steer mid-corner. That is an instance where a soft axle would give more "grip".
Sometimes if you are over-flexing the soft axle, it will cause you to have oversteer because you are getting too much lift and flex and not enough side bite because you have less of a "spring-rate" on the outside rear tire (less force on the outside rear because of the softer axle absorbing some weight transfer). If you put a stiff axle in, it'll take away some of that flex and settle the rear down, making it feel like you have more "grip" because you aren't overloading the outside rear tire and you are generating enough sidebite because of the increased "spring-rate" so you take away oversteer.
So in summary, I believe that the sim uses fairly low grip levels, which makes your changes contrary to what you experience in real-life Ghostrider.
exactly know what you mean....but....when piboso wants to have requests of us than everyone makes his own ;)
and in MY OPINION the grip on the rear is to less....can live with that but thats my opinion.... ;D
In my opinion lots of racing sims have this problem.....when i go on the apex on the gas then the rear is sliding and i steer with the gas....but it is so that when you put the gas then your weight goes to the rear and makes it more stabile.....in a kart most of the time the rear seems "light weight" when you drive in to a corner not at the exit.....sorry when you can missunderstand some things but in english for me its quite difficult to say what i want ;)
Ghost,
I get what you're saying (I think :P ). I agree that many sim games get the grip levels wrong. The thing about karting is that the circuit rubbers up SO quickly throughout the weekend that without the technology of a dynamic track in-game (track rubbers in in-game), it's really hard to replicate real grip levels.
Which is unfortunate, because half the battle in karting is adapting to the track every time you go out.
When a sim will be called a sim than there must be a change in grip level because thats a very impotant thing......we all talk about problems, not because we dont respekt the work of piboso...we do it because we want to make the game better....not today not tomorrow but in the future.....i am proud of piboso because i all the years i wait for THIS game ;)
And its possible to do it (with the Grip).....i long time drive GTR2 in Races and there you feel the changes....i know that its hard to do this but i talk about it because its not impossible ;)
will wait what changes in the future...and only when piboso KNOWS about problems he can fix it sometime